Expanded Knowledge and Epic expanded knowledge

[wujenta]

Expanded Knowledge and Epic expanded knowledge

Hi everyone, I was reading in depth for the first time the XPH and found that these two feats are much more better than the metamagic feats that any other spellcasting class have acces to. Imagine a feat that lets your Sorcerer to pick one spell form the cleric spell list. Or a Cleric taking a paladin spell.

I feel that these 2 feats are overpowered and break the spirit of the psion classes. Why would you make an egoist, if you could make a telepath and take this feat and gain acces to a specified power only available to egoists.

I have a PsiWar in my campaign who is level 21 by now that has taken both and now have access to Metamorphosis (an egoist power) and temporal acceleration (a psion/wilder power)

What do you think, are this feats overpowered? Have you had any problems with them?

Another question: do you feel that a time stop at level 6 (temporal acceleration) is a little bit out of the line?

 

[Sammael]

Imagine a feat that lets your Sorcerer to pick one spell form the cleric spell list.

Arcane Disciple (Complete Divine) does something quite similar, although potentially even more powerful.

Or a Cleric taking a paladin spell.

I really don't see anything particularly problematic with this. There are only two or three paladin-exclusive spells in PHB anyway, and they can pass for cleric spells if bumped up a level or two.

 

[wujenta]

Arcane Disciple (Complete Divine) does something quite similar, although potentially even more powerful.

But arcane disciple only let you pick domain spells and you have to have the wisdom to cast the spell, while the PsiWar treat the power as one of his own, so no MAD on him.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

I really don't see anything particularly problematic with this. There are only two or three paladin-exclusive spells in PHB anyway, and they can pass for cleric spells if bumped up a level or two.

/sidetrack

I have a huge problem with this. The paladin is upstaged by the cleric often enough, without the cleric getting access to the only three exclusive spells he has on his list as well. Just say no to clerics filching Holy Sword!

/sidetrack

 

[Thanee]

I feel that these 2 feats are overpowered and break the spirit of the psion classes.

How does being overpowered break the spirit of the psion class!?

Why would you make an egoist, if you could make a telepath and take this feat and gain acces to a specified power only available to egoists.

Well, you should take into consideration, that unlike specialist wizards, psions cannot normally use the special powers from all but one discipline! Wizards just lost out on 1-2 schools (however, these are completely barred then, while psions still have the more basic powers available, those that are on the generic psion power list). All in all, I think Expanded Knowledge is fair, tho I would consider to limit it to only one single power (feat cannot be taken multiple times) as a house rule.

As with the Psychic Warrior, maybe just disallow the discipline lists here, only the generic class lists, if you are worried. That should be fair enough.

Bye
Thanee