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...My original point was that, of all my behavior on this forum, the stuff I'm rewarded for most is not the stuff I consider my best posting behavior.

Cheers, -- N

Exactly, it's what other people consider rewardable. Which can be infuriating when you get rewarded for something you consider nothing.

I understand your point. Perhaps by keeping your standard per the rewarding of xp, your behavior will sway others by way of example. But until then their xp rewarding habits show what they value in the conversation.
 


I have some further thoughts on why XP are a poor reward mechanism, but at least this forum doesn't have the "neg rep" drama associated with certain other places.

Ha! Not for you maybe!

When the rep system was first put in place here the various mods wanted to see if they had the ability to negrep. Guess who they tested THAT on!

I only recently got out of the negatives.

Oh the dramaz! :eek:
 

This is all my opinion of course, I thought I'd preface my post with that.

I think his point was that the XP system reduces the number of "Me-too" posts, since users will either post a "me too" or click to add XP.

Except, I don't think this is happening at all right now.

I think a good example is any of the various rules discussions. Not so much the tendency for them to digress into the message board version of two people past each. However, before that happens, usually there are several people who basically state the same thing without adding anything new.

The nature of message boards is to post messages, even if nobody else reads them. That lends itself to "me-too" style posting, especially if XP doesn't affect the way messages are read. The reason it works for news aggregation sites like Digg/Reddit/Slashdot is because you can filter and sort based on the "XP." We can't do that here, so I'd argue that it would show very little reduction in "me-too" posts.

I know that every XP is permanently associated with a specific post already, but I don't know how the data is stored or indexed. So you may be right in assuming technical impracticality.

My guess is that this is incorrect. XP is attached to the poster as a data sets of XP Giver, Comment, Time, and Post Number. That way, each poster has a table for this, versus every post having information. It only ever gets called when someone looks at a poster's experience page.

The point of per-post XP would be:
1/ Act as a disincentive to cliques; and
2/ Remove focus on "good poster", put focus on "good post".

So long as XP is identifiable with a poster, you can't solve either of these.

Heck, so long as you have posters, you're going to have these. Hence, threads like The Hive. There are certainly in-jokes between members of the boards. I'd say most of us here in Meta form a clique, by virtue of us discussing site policy, separate from anyone else posting on the boards. I guarantee when someone like Piratecat or Morrus posts in a thread, they're recognized as good posters, in the same way certain people are recognized as poor posters.

I think we do agree about this. My original point was that, of all my behavior on this forum, the stuff I'm rewarded for most is not the stuff I consider my best posting behavior.

I certainly think you have a valid point in that. I'm just not sure where a per-post system differs from a per-poster system, when posts and posters are intimately linked.

The more I think and post about this, the more I'm wondering why ENW has an XP system at all. Since there's no real way to filter posts based on XP, it's basically a meaningless stat. I suppose that's the point though.
 

Except, I don't think this is happening at all right now.

I think a good example is any of the various rules discussions.
Well, in a rules discussion, "me too" can actually be valuable. If a large number of people read a passage and take from it the same meaning, that meaning gains credibility by the sheer virtue of volume.

That's a feature of language. It's quite different from "I like jello" + "me too".


My guess is that this is incorrect. XP is attached to the poster as a data sets of XP Giver, Comment, Time, and Post Number.
... and Post Number = a specific post. So they are associated with a specific post. You're not contradicting me here. Or am I reading you wrong?

I guarantee when someone like Piratecat or Morrus posts in a thread, they're recognized as good posters, in the same way certain people are recognized as poor posters.
I'll grant you Piratecat, who is also a very handsome man, but Morrus 100% troll.

The clique thing explained below.

So long as XP is identifiable with a poster, you can't solve either of these.
(...)
I'm just not sure where a per-post system differs from a per-poster system, when posts and posters are intimately linked.
Well, I posted the per-post XP idea in response to some ideas on this thread. What it's supposed to solve is:
1/ Clique threads (like "Hivemind") will never express XP generated inside the thread to the outside world.
2/ Prolific posters (like me) will have our higher XP spread out over more posts, so we won't look disproportionately awesome.

The more I think and post about this, the more I'm wondering why ENW has an XP system at all. Since there's no real way to filter posts based on XP, it's basically a meaningless stat. I suppose that's the point though.
Yeah, it's pretty meaningless, and it's not something that even I get very worked up about.

But my point is: if it were to have an effect, IMHO that effect would not be positive.

Cheers, -- N
 

Anyone think that having a hurdle of 50 posts may be an incentive to giving out XP for "junk" reasons?

If it take 50 posts to give xp again to someone who often contributes quality, well-researched posts again, then some might think they need to flush through waves of amusing/pithy/snarky posts just to be able to reinforce that quality poster again.

If this is occurring at all . . . would that be an intended or unintended consequence?
 
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... and Post Number = a specific post. So they are associated with a specific post. You're not contradicting me here. Or am I reading you wrong?

No, I'm thinking over-technically, and missing each other.

(Tech stuff)
My supposition is that each user has a linked table that lists all of their XP. The table lists all the stuff I listed above, but the table itself is attached to the user. The post is only referenced by the post number, but the table is attached to the user.

A true per-post system would have each post linked to a table, listing the same stuff. You'd have one table for every single post, instead of one table for each user.
 

Anyone think that having a hurdle of 50 posts may be an incentive to giving out XP for "junk" reasons?

If it take 50 posts to give xp again to someone who often contributes quality, well-researched posts again, then some might think they need to flush through waves of amusing/pithy/snarky posts just to be able to reinforce that quality poster again.

If this is occurring at all . . . would that be an intended or unintended consequence?

1) If its happening, its probably an unintended consequence. Ah, who am I kidding? I've done so myself!

2) That is an excellent observation.
 
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