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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 6753160" data-attributes="member: 63508">What kind of crazy Sorcerer is learning spells that can be rituals? Sorcerer even in 3e didn't have enough Spells Known for some of them.Just look at the 1st levels (italics are actually on the sorcerer list):Alarm- NopeComprehend Languages- Maybe at high levelsDetect Magic- SureDetect Poison and Disease- NopeFind Familiar- MehIdentify- NopeIllusory Script- NopePurify Food and Drink- NopeSpeak with Animals- NopeTenser’s Floating Disk- MaybeUnseen Servant- MaybeMost sorcerers if they even had access to these would not learn most of them. Outside of the two they can know, a smart sorcerer would not have enough known spells to even bother with them until high levels. When you know just 6 spells, you aren't "permanently" knowing many spells a wizard wont prepare.That's one of the differences.Wizards might have the weird and obscure spells. Sorcerers typically don't.</blockquote>