Extra Spell

[Falling Icicle]

Does the Extra Spell feat (CA p. 79-80) allow a character to learn *any* spell, from any class list? The wording seems to imply that, but does this even allow an arcane caster to learn a divine spell (or vice versa)? Is there any restriction at all to what you can learn?

 

[EyeontheMountain]

It is poorly worded, but it only lets you learn from your own class list so it is useless for several classes, like the warmage.

 

[Thanee]

Is there any restriction at all to what you can learn?

Yes, all spellcasters can only learn spells from their own class spell list (which should be kinda obvious, but isn't really explained well in the PHB), unless explicitly allowed otherwise (as with the Arcane Disciple feat, for example, which puts other spells on your class spell list, so you can learn them).

Extra Spell doesn't change that. It just allows you to pick up one more spell (from your normal selection).

Bye
Thanee

 

[evermind]

Just wondering - why does the feat description explicitly state " for wizards..., Extra Spell is generally used to learn a spell that the character lacks access too and would unable to research" ?

Given that non-specialist wizards theoretically (by the SRD ) can research and know any spell on their spell list (j just not cast it it in some cases ), what precisely do you think that clause is actually refering too ?

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

Just wondering - why does the feat description explicitly state " for wizards..., Extra Spell is generally used to learn a spell that the character lacks access too and would unable to research" ?

Given that non-specialist wizards theoretically (by the SRD ) can research and know any spell on their spell list (j just not cast it it in some cases ), what precisely do you think that clause is actually refering too ?

When you meet up with a hidden cabal of wizards that have some spell that is particular to them and you need to learn it quickly in order to pass some test or disguise yourself, and you don't have access to the spellbook of the hidden cabal, or they don't write it down but use Arcane Mastery to preserve its secret, etc.

 

[Thanee]

Just wondering - why does the feat description explicitly state " for wizards..., Extra Spell is generally used to learn a spell that the character lacks access too and would unable to research" ?

Given that non-specialist wizards theoretically (by the SRD ) can research and know any spell on their spell list (j just not cast it it in some cases ), what precisely do you think that clause is actually refering too ?

It refers to campaign-specific restrictions.

For example, your wizard might not have a scroll or teacher at hand to learn this specific spell from, or the time and resources to research the spell.

With the Extra Spell feat, he or she can instantly learn another spell during level-up.

Not a very compelling reason to learn a feat, though, especially since you always get two free spells during each level-up, anyways, but that's what they meant there.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Nazerel]

I was also wondering how Extra Spell works in regards to the Sublime Chord PrC and its odd spell progression. If such a character wanted to take the feat and learn a 3rd level sorcerer/wizard spell (at say, level 12 when he receives a feat), could he? Sublime Chords start off knowing 4th level spells from the bard list and sorcerer/wizard spell lists and gain spells of higher level as they progress, but the PrC says nothing about whether or not they could learn spells of lower level. By the rules, it looks like it's not allowed, but common sense would say otherwise; just what is stopping a character from learning a lower level, and subsequently easier/weaker, spell in place of one that's higher level for the Extra Spell feat?

 

[Mistwell]

"Spells of the prohibited school or schools are not available to the wizard, ", "for wizards..., Extra Spell is generally used to learn a spell that the character lacks access too and would unable to research"

It sure seems possible that extra spell is a specific exception to the general rule that a wizard cannot learn a spell from a prohibit school.

But then, I've had this exact same debate, with Thanee in fact, before.

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=162299

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

The confusion is compounded by the similarly worded Extra Power feat for psionic manifestors.

My personal take on it is that it is to be used just that way, so IMC, I do. (Specialists are still barred from learning spells from prohibited schools, though).

To get an official answer, I did ask WotC CustServ and they sided with Thanee's interpretation.

However, when I asked them specifically why it differed from Extra Power, they gave no answer.

 

[Deekin]

Yes, it is generally inferior to the Psionic version of the feat

Expanded Knowledge [Psionic]
You learn another power.

Prerequisites
Manifester level 3rd.

Benefit
Add to your powers known one additional power of any level up to one level lower than the highest-level power you can manifest. You can choose any power, including powers from another discipline’s list or even from another class’s list.
Special

You can gain this feat multiple times. Each time, you learn one new power at any level up to one less than the highest-level power you can manifest.