Extreme Diplomacy

[reapersaurus]

i think it's a pretty Bad Idea to not have a cap on skill-enhancing magic items.

The price is WAY too cheap to become a legendary "whatever" just by making a fairly cheap magic item.

I guess there's something about a loser bard with NO talent picking up a 8,000 g.p. magic item and becoming the best talent that anyone has ever seen that sets my BS meter off.

 

[CRGreathouse]

i think it's a pretty Bad Idea to not have a cap on skill-enhancing magic items.

The price is WAY too cheap to become a legendary "whatever" just by making a fairly cheap magic item.

It reminds me of my custom ioun stone of Bluff, Listen, Spot, and Tumble +5 that only costs 4,000 gp, a must-have item for any moderately high-level rogue or bard. There's no reason *not* to take it.

 

[Umbran]

But would it, in fact, be outrageous for the King to allow the character to marry the daughter, help out with Diplomacy for the kingdom and, one day, inherit the kingdom.

The answer to that is too situation dependant. There's more to running a kingd0m than diplomacy. If the character is a dilletant who doesn't have the patience to actually run a kingdom, or actually has odious habits, then yes, it would be outrageous. Darned hard to get a king to turn a throne over to you just because you are charming.

 

[chilibean]

The guy is diplomatic, but not a bender of minds. He can put the best spin possible on the facts, but cannot actually change the facts, if you see what I mean...

I supposed you actually believe what they tell you on TV too, huh?

Facts? What are those? A fact is whatever you believe. David Koresh really was the next Jesus to those poor fools in Waco, TX. It was a known fact to the people living there with him. It is a known fact to some people that we never landed on the moon and that the earth is really flat.

Diplomacy is EXACTLY the bending of minds. It's getting others to think like you, to agree with you, in other words ... be helpful.

There are people that can sell ice to eskimos. This character would leave them in the dust. Why did Hitler come to power? He convinced, swindled, coerced, charmed, and manipulated his way into being declared the supreme ruler of an entire nation. This character only has to convince 1 person, the current king. A much easier task. I would think the DC for this would be significantly lower than 78. Probably more like 40.

That being said, I would adjust the DC based on the King's sense motive and diplomacy skills, and the abilities of his advisors (assuming circumstances allow them to influence the King before the decision is made).

Also, whether he can make the next 100 diplomacy checks to actually hold on to power is another matter .... evil grin ....

 

[Little_Buddha]

Why did Hitler come to power? He convinced, swindled, coerced, charmed, and manipulated his way into being declared the supreme ruler of an entire nation.

Always be careful introducing historical analogies, because there are always history majors lurking in the wings somewhere... Suffice to say that the above statement is wildly inaccurate, because I don't want to hijack the thread with a discussion on the collapse of the Wiemar Republic and the rise of the NSDAP.

The rise of Hitler was more about a time of socioeconomic crisis, a lack of political leadership, a miscalculation by several important conservative figures and widespread public worry than the considerable personal charm Hitler possessed. Many people possess considerable charm. Very few of them take possession of countries.