Familiar/Mount - Share Spells

[Hypersmurf]

With an improved familiar or special mount with spells or SLAs, does the Share Spells property work both ways?

ie, can a familiar cast a spell with a range of "You" to affect its master, or to affect both as long as they remain within 5'?

-Hyp.

 

[Crothian]

I'd allow it, I think that's pretty cool. No idea on the actually rules on it though.

 

[Hypersmurf]

There's also the Touch Spells and the Scry on Familiar, which could be fun in reverse.

-Hyp.

 

[Crothian]

A Jealous Familiar keeping an eye on his mage

 

[FCWesel]

On the note of Sharing Spells. My player came up with a really good question, at least to me.

Can the Mount get healing from the Lay on Hands ability if the Paladin must (will) use it on himself?

After all, they share spells and the LoH is given a spell-like ability discriptor and not a Ex, or supernatural. Any thoughts?

For my table, I am inclined to allow it, as it does make a certain amount of sense.

 

[hammymchamham]

There's also the Touch Spells and the Scry on Familiar, which could be fun in reverse.

-Hyp.

Thanks Hyper. You just gave my mage a reason to get a Familiar.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Can the Mount get healing from the Lay on Hands ability if the Paladin must (will) use it on himself?

Yes... but unfortunately, they came up with a weird ruling in Tome and Blood.

If you Share a Shield or a Divine Favor, you both get the full benefit.

If you Share, say, a Cure Light Wounds or a Bull's Strength, then you get a 'pool' of points which you have to split between yourself and the familiar.

If you roll a 4 on your Bull's Strength, you don't both get +4 - you could give yourself +1 and your familiar +3, for example.

Which is a horrible, horrible interpretation

Especially since their reasoning is that "the master and familiar both have separate ability scores". Yet, they both have separate ACs - why do you not have to split up the AC bonus from Mage Armor?

They give an example of Aid - you can Share the +1 morale bonus, but only one of the two gets the 1d8 temporary hit points.

The ruling on Cure spells - it gets worse - is that you must assign all the points to either the master or the familiar... and if there are any points left over once they're fully healed, the overflow can be assigned to the other.

I mean... what!?

Stupid ruling. If I'm the DM, that whole page is going to get ignored.

Edit - I just read it again. I misread the ability score bit - you can't Share a Bull's Strength at all. You have to pick one to get the Enhancement bonus. "Because the master and familiar have separate ability scores".

Unlike, say, their separate movement rates affected by Expeditious Retreat, their separate Armor Classes affected by Mage Armor, or their separate attack bonuses affected by True Strike.

Gah. /Edit

-Hyp.