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Guess it depends on tax and relative worth, as $36.000 is less than what the lady that scan your groceries in the supermarket makes here in Scandinavia...

True, but you have to figure that that lady in Scandinavia is going to lose a certain percentage of her income (and limbs) to raids by murderous Vikings. They don't have that problem in Min...

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Oh god! Lock the doors! Hide the women and children!
 


Incenjucar said:
I'm doing fine with a 36K/year salary in California.

I'd be living like a king down in Minn. on that much.
Not quite, but you wouldn't be doing badly (average household income in Minnesota is $37.6k, median is $55k). ;)
 

All I have to add is that I really hope that RPG companies are planning on doing something new for 4E and not just rehashing their 3e product.
 


No Name said:
I guess it's all about perspective. I see $36,000 as barely above poverty these days.
Poverty actually has a defined number attached to it. It's not really a perceptual thing.

In the United States, where the Census Bureau sets the number, it's $10,210 for a single person, plus around $3,500 for each additional person living in the household. (It's higher in Alaska and Hawaii.) In Minnesota, $36,000 a year would only be poverty if the household had nine people living in it.

If there are nine people living in a house, unless something has gone horribly, horribly awry with fertility drugs, someone can pick up a paper route or something and bring some extra dough in.

That's what I made a decade ago without a college degree in a city with a population of 30k. Back then, in that city, it was a comfortable income.
Where? It varies wildly by location. I paid $182/month for my first apartment in a college town, and it was really nice. You couldn't even find a cardboard box that was on fire at the time for that in the Los Angeles suburbs.

Teachers, a notoriously underpaid job
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, notoriously in certain places. The starting salary for teachers in my current city is more almost $10,000 a year above the average income in the area, and the salary can more than double over the course of a teacher's career.

Teachers have a tough time in some places, but the perception that they have a tough time nationally isn't always accurate. It's an important job, it's a difficult job, but it's not a job that requires a vow of poverty if you're willing to move to somewhere else in the country.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
Seriously, $36,000 is solidly middle class anywhere in the United States (too little for a non-rent-controlled apartment in most of Manhattan on a single income, but enough for a decent place to live in another borough of New York City; able to live an above-average standard of living in much of rural America).

It's not much in any of the bigger cities though. I remember way back in 1998 when I thought that anyone that made $55K a year was seriously rolling in the dough and the one guy I knew that made $100K+ was "rich."

Amazing how times change. Course, I live in Seattle where apparently you're a schlub if you aren't making $250K+ a year.

Three years ago I was working for the UW and making about $45K and it allowed me to live a comfortable bachelor lifestyle and save up a bunch of money. Roseville is a suburb of Minneapolis, so it's not like you'd be living in BFE if you got the job. If I didn't already live in Seattle and have a bunch of ties to the area I'd apply for it.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
They're in Minnesota. $36,000/year is a nice quality of life.
Yeah but independant contractors get a bit more tax taken out, no medical insurance, no other types of benefits.

On the surface, I make 35 to 40k a year. But when every year my company gives me a "what you are worth" sheet which provides all the intangibles. In all I make 55-60k a year including medical, dental, eye, vacation, sick days, personal days and the special birthday day.

I have yet to see anyone make a living on just rpg freelancing. And then you have to bring your own computer, well that just sucks. They must have problems with offsite freelancers.
 

I could spend hours talking up the Twin Cities area. But I won't. Suffice to say that Minneapolis spends year after year swapping the title of "Most Literate City in America" with Seattle, the Source - the greatest FLGS anywhere - is in Falcon Heights, just north of St. Paul, the area has the highest number of museums and theatres per capita of anywhere in North America outside of New York City, and there's as many really good local ice cream parlors as there are neighborhoods (if you come here, you must go to Sebastian Joe's, on Hennepin and 22nd St. in Minneapolis, and try their signature flavor, Pavarotti).
 

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