fast spell question

[Thanee]

Well, we always allowed metamagicked variants of spells to be cast by Limited Wish, that spell definitely seems powerful enough to even duplicate the effects of metamagic. I'm not sure about Shadow Evocation, tho.

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Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Does anybody know which is the result of a spellcraft check against a Shadow Evocation for example? Does it register as "Illusion" or as "Evocation"?

I don't know how this is meant to be handled officially, but I don't let illusion spells being detected by a simple spellcraft check or Detect Magic spell. The very least is a successful save for interacting with the illusion, if you try, otherwise you will only see a false school (in the case of shadow magic, the duplicated school).

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Thanee

 

[Li Shenron]

Well, we always allowed metamagicked variants of spells to be cast by Limited Wish, that spell definitely seems powerful enough to even duplicate the effects of metamagic. I'm not sure about Shadow Evocation, tho.

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Thanee

At least Limited Wish has an XP cost, or was it free for duplicating spells? Wish always costs XP to duplicate spells (contrary to Miracle for example) so if you allow it to duplicate metamagicked versions of spells I think it's fine after all...

But I would not allow Miracle, or the Shadow spells.

 

[Li Shenron]

I don't know how this is meant to be handled officially, but I don't let illusion spells being detected by a simple spellcraft check or Detect Magic spell. The very least is a successful save for interacting with the illusion, if you try, otherwise you will only see a false school (in the case of shadow magic, the duplicated school).

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Thanee

In fact it is too easy if with a Spellcraft check you can spoil an Illusion, also because you still may get the save as well if "interacted with".

But you do get a Spellcraft check to identify spells being cast by the rules. I can't find a line that says you can't use the skill with Illusion spells. Anyway, I think that with a Shadow spell, since the effects are the ones of the duplicated spell, the Spellcraft check may be ruled to give you the duplicated spell.

It maybe depends on how do you see Spellcraft: if you think of it as the knowledge about how the spells look like, then the effects you recognize are of the duplicated spell, but what about the components? They can affect the Spellcraft DC, so are they the ones of the shadow spell or the ones of the duplicated spell?

If instead you consider Spellcraft the ability to identify the real nature of the spell, then it could tell you what it really is. There could be interesting house rules to handle this, but now I wish to know what are the officil rules if any, because I am curious...