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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4664389" data-attributes="member: 35909">Not sure why entirely, but ever since Tome of Battle, my view of Rogues has also gone down.&nbsp; Just not that much. I guess the fact the ToB classes all get 4 or 6+ skills, (much) better HD, and end up doing more damage in many cases against any enemy type has something to do with it.&nbsp; I mean, I like how well Rogues and Bards do out of combat, but that book really just plain left them out classed in combat (Everyone's already talked about what it did to the Fighter, but never seen an analysis of what it did to the core &quot;strikers.&quot;).&nbsp; And I want to play a character who excels only out of combat about as much as I do a &quot;healbot.&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Far as Rogues and Bards go, I've considered it for years, next campaign on it will be official: they get d8 HD and CODzilla gets d6.&nbsp; Might help a tad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4664389, member: 35909"] Not sure why entirely, but ever since Tome of Battle, my view of Rogues has also gone down. Just not that much. I guess the fact the ToB classes all get 4 or 6+ skills, (much) better HD, and end up doing more damage in many cases against any enemy type has something to do with it. I mean, I like how well Rogues and Bards do out of combat, but that book really just plain left them out classed in combat (Everyone's already talked about what it did to the Fighter, but never seen an analysis of what it did to the core "strikers."). And I want to play a character who excels only out of combat about as much as I do a "healbot." :) Far as Rogues and Bards go, I've considered it for years, next campaign on it will be official: they get d8 HD and CODzilla gets d6. Might help a tad. [/QUOTE]

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