Feat prereqs for PrCs

[Shellman]

No because you get the skills from the class level you gain.

I agree, if you gain a feat due to 6 HD (assuming you qualify for it) then it shouldn't prevent you from selecting a PrC assuming you meet all other prereq's.

That is how my DM's handle it anyway

 

[Storyteller01]

Would you do the same with skills?

Let's say the character has 6 ranks in Hide, and the PrC has a requirement of 7 ranks in Hide and grants 2 + Int skill points per level. Can the character put one of those skill points into Hide, thus giving him 7 ranks and qualifying for the class that gave him the point he used to qualify?

-Hyp.

Two different things. Bonus feats based on total level aren't tied directly to a class.


If it were truely game breaking, we'd have heard by now.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Two different things. Bonus feats based on total level aren't tied directly to a class.

But you don't get the feat until you get your 6th hit die, and the hit die is tied directly to a class. Until you choose a class, you don't get the hit die; until you get the hit die, you only have 5, and don't receive a feat.

Let's say the character has a 14 Int, and the rank in Hide is purchased with the bonus skill points for a high Int. The skill points are as closely tied to a class as the feat for the 6th hit die is.

Is it still 'two different things'?

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

But you don't get the feat until you get your 6th hit die, and the hit die is tied directly to a class. Until you choose a class, you don't get the hit die; until you get the hit die, you only have 5, and don't receive a feat.

Let's say the character has a 14 Int, and the rank in Hide is purchased with the bonus skill points for a high Int. The skill points are as closely tied to a class as the feat for the 6th hit die is.

Is it still 'two different things'?

-Hyp.

Not stricly speaking, but sure., Because you get the feat NO MATTER WHAT. It makes no difference what class you select except for the size of the die you get.

Not saying I would allow it, only that I understand what they are saying.

I understand what you are saying, too, and I think you point out how what they are saying risks a "slippery slope" argument.

 

[Storyteller01]

But you don't get the feat until you get your 6th hit die, and the hit die is tied directly to a class. Until you choose a class, you don't get the hit die; until you get the hit die, you only have 5, and don't receive a feat.

Again, if it was a game breaking rule change, it would have been mentioned by know.

Let's say the character has a 14 Int, and the rank in Hide is purchased with the bonus skill points for a high Int. The skill points are as closely tied to a class as the feat for the 6th hit die is.

Is it still 'two different things'?

-Hyp.

Yup. If you want to spend the skill points before you gain a level, that's your call. Not prudent or effective, but it's still your call.

 

[Milkman Dan]

There's a given order for advancing in page 58-59 of the PHB. The 1st step is selecting class, while selecting a feat comes in at 7th. You can ignore the order, obviously, but if you believe that you can't select a feat before multiclassing, you have a solid basis.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

But how do you spend the skill points before you get a level? Are they class for your past class or the one you are taking? Sure, if they are the same class there's no issue. But if our supposed 5th level character is all class X and at sixth level they switch to PrC Y, if you let them take their skills before the class is selected which list do they use? Do they use the list from the level they've already spent the skill points for or do you let them spend the skill points for the class they haven't even gained yet? Nevermind the argument of how many skillpoints they get if the amounts are different too!

Why should feats be any different? How can you gain a feat for a hit die you don't technically own yet? Sure, you know you are getting a die ... but it isn't yours yet. It's like opening gifts on Christmas Eve! [Fun, but technically not right! ]

There are guidelines for a reason. It may not be the most gamebreaking decision in the world, but it is still against RAW. As a houserule it is viable, but not one I would use.

 

[Storyteller01]

But how do you spend the skill points before you get a level? Are they class for your past class or the one you are taking? Sure, if they are the same class there's no issue. But if our supposed 5th level character is all class X and at sixth level they switch to PrC Y, if you let them take their skills before the class is selected which list do they use? Do they use the list from the level they've already spent the skill points for or do you let them spend the skill points for the class they haven't even gained yet? Nevermind the argument of how many skillpoints they get if the amounts are different too!

Why should feats be any different? How can you gain a feat for a hit die you don't technically own yet? Sure, you know you are getting a die ... but it isn't yours yet. It's like opening gifts on Christmas Eve! [Fun, but technically not right! ]

There are guidelines for a reason. It may not be the most gamebreaking decision in the world, but it is still against RAW. As a houserule it is viable, but not one I would use.

The skills we were talking about were extra skill points gained from high intelligence. You'd gain these points regardless of class. If you spend them before you choose a class, they're cross class skills as you're effectively classless at that pointg in time. Not the brightest choice, but its there. Feats gained from total HD don't have this problem. As long as you meet the pre req, you can take the feat. No such thing as a cross class feat...

Unless WotC starts hiring enforcement personnel, it isn't a process set in stone. Engineers can argue that what a mechanic did to their newly designed and built car was wrong. He still did it, and odds are it fixed a problem the engineer didn't originally think of. Tends to happen a lot on race teams.

As for presents on Christmas, well... let's just say family didn't always get together on the 25th.