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<blockquote data-quote="Felnar" data-source="post: 3819452" data-attributes="member: 30971">true, but its highly likely that the character doesmy point is that powerwise, sneak attack makes up over half of power gained in the last 16 levels of rogue. The rogue specials and IUD arent lost, they just have access delayed (well, likely a couple of the rogue specials are lost)Bard suffers the same problem all casters have with multiclassing with a non-casting class.&nbsp; That problem is normally dealt with a PrC tho, not a single feat.Also, i put Bard Spell List as an ability because it grants wand/scroll/staff use.the combine rogue/scout feat only combines for skirmish, not sneak.&nbsp; a rogue/bard feat would have to be a little more powerful than that, to restore some power lost to caster/non-caster multiclassing.The combine feats are a little odd because the scale in power.&nbsp; They are inherently inconsistent.&nbsp; So what level should it be balanced at? Level 20? probably not because level 20 is a very small portion of the game and many groups never even play at that level.&nbsp; You could always compare it at 6th level, but really 8th is just as suitable (if not more likely) of a place for the feat to be in play.i assumed a Charisma of 16.&nbsp; if you're using standard 25 pointbuy, possibly 14 Cha is more reasonable.1. i wasnt saying it raised inspire courage by +2, it's meant as 'to +2'.&nbsp; i copied it off the bard class ability table.2. i didnt need to use level 20 to make it look like an 'OMG insane feat'The druid is an exception, so probably not the best&nbsp; baseline example(tho possible).&nbsp; The fighter/caster increases its MAD to 4.&nbsp; Str and Con for melee, Int/Cha for casting, and Dex to replace the lost fullplate.you should heed the advice you gave Bryon_Soulweaver.&nbsp; Devoted Performer does not give &quot;full bardic music and smite evil progression&quot;.&nbsp; It stack levels for # of bardic music uses a day and for bonus damage on smite evil (not uses a day).&nbsp; As i said, it gives almost nothing compared to either feat you're proposing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felnar, post: 3819452, member: 30971"] true, but its highly likely that the character does my point is that powerwise, sneak attack makes up over half of power gained in the last 16 levels of rogue. The rogue specials and IUD arent lost, they just have access delayed (well, likely a couple of the rogue specials are lost) Bard suffers the same problem all casters have with multiclassing with a non-casting class. That problem is normally dealt with a PrC tho, not a single feat. Also, i put Bard Spell List as an ability because it grants wand/scroll/staff use. the combine rogue/scout feat only combines for skirmish, not sneak. a rogue/bard feat would have to be a little more powerful than that, to restore some power lost to caster/non-caster multiclassing. The combine feats are a little odd because the scale in power. They are inherently inconsistent. So what level should it be balanced at? Level 20? probably not because level 20 is a very small portion of the game and many groups never even play at that level. You could always compare it at 6th level, but really 8th is just as suitable (if not more likely) of a place for the feat to be in play. i assumed a Charisma of 16. if you're using standard 25 pointbuy, possibly 14 Cha is more reasonable. 1. i wasnt saying it raised inspire courage by +2, it's meant as 'to +2'. i copied it off the bard class ability table. 2. i didnt need to use level 20 to make it look like an 'OMG insane feat' The druid is an exception, so probably not the best baseline example(tho possible). The fighter/caster increases its MAD to 4. Str and Con for melee, Int/Cha for casting, and Dex to replace the lost fullplate. you should heed the advice you gave Bryon_Soulweaver. Devoted Performer does not give "full bardic music and smite evil progression". It stack levels for # of bardic music uses a day and for bonus damage on smite evil (not uses a day). As i said, it gives almost nothing compared to either feat you're proposing. [/QUOTE]

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