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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mlund" data-source="post: 6105388" data-attributes="member: 50304">Yeah, I already broke this down on the main playtest packet thread, but I'll reiterate it here: Using Feats as a way to avoid overlapping rules is bad in this case.@"DEFCON 1" is right on the money in terms of concept in both regards: Tiers of Ability and using the Advantage mechanics.Instead of putting the rules into Feats, put them into a "Sample Stunts" section, then Tier usage as follows:Tier 1 should be something anyone can do as an Improvised Stunt Action. They'll normally take Disadvantage on the attempt, so they'd better hold out for an opportunity where their stunt description / context gives them Advantage to cancel it out (like tripping the bugbear by pulling the tattered rug in the room description out from under him) or the risk-reward pay-out is just high enough to justify making the attempt with disadvantage (like using Push to topple the Orc Chieftain off a cliff).Tier 2 removes the Disadvantage but the cost (your action), effect, and restrictions (contested rolls, size restrictions, etc.) are still such that you'd never just spam this every round instead of attacking with a spell or weapon. There's a time and a place for it and when that time comes (need this guy knocked down for a sneak attack, to throw a net on him, etc.) you are prepared for it.Tier 3 is reserved for Expert mechanics in a martial class like the Thief or Fighter using a Skill Trick or Combat Expertise. The opportunity cost is reduced by making the Stunt a rider to their normal attacks (or maybe just a Swift Action? Trip that guy; punch his friend). There may also be synergies with other class mechanics like the ability to gain Advantage on certain types of contests / checks or add a Skill / Expertise Die to your roll.Frankly, I think the Fighter should have a general class feature at Level 1 that says he has Advantage on all physical Stunts he performs in and out of combat. That way he doesn't need a Feat to have an even chance at any particular type of stunt, but if he does spend the Feat he gets to roll the Advantage die. Likewise it scales up: With just Expertise you make a normal contest roll. With Expertise + Feat you make the contest roll with Advantage. Since Expertise Dice are limited this still prevents spamming at all levels.- Marty Lund</blockquote>

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