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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6109769" data-attributes="member: 1465">Part of my point is, that the "regular standard rogue" must not have feats.Feats must be optional and can be optional, if (a) they are not granted to classes or races as "bonus feats", and (b) there is no fundamental game option exclusively attached to them.This include that Rogue Schemes must not grant feats. Only in the latest packet they grant 3 feats, in the previous packet some Schemes granted 1 feat (while others granted different benefits) and IMHO this should already not have been the case.Under those conditions (a) and (b) you can either play with or without feats, and that doesn't change the balance between Basic and Standard characters, because at your gaming table both Basic or Standard characters (coexisting in the same campaign) will either use feats or not use feats, depending on the group choice. Players would still be able to choose a Basic PC rather than a Standard PC, but either both of them will have feats or neither of them. It's a group choice just the way as skills are a group choice. Trying to have both PCs with and without feats, or with and without skills, makes design more complicated than treating "Feats" and "Skills" as modules for the group. They can still skip all references to feats and skills in the Basic D&D product. A gaming group that owns both the Basic D&D and the Standard D&D games, can still mix-n-match Basic + Skills, Basic + Feats, Basic + Feats + Skills.However, IMHO it would be quite important and useful to totally revise the list of feats, making sure that actual "pure" feats (i.e. stuff that only exists in the form of a feat) add non-essential character abilities, and then designing other special feats that can be used for "mild multiclassing" or acquiring features from another class such as a feat that grants one Maneuver of choice, a feat that grants one spell of choice, a feat that grants one Rogue's skill trick, a feat that grants an additional skill... Doing so (rather than turning Maneuvers and Skill Tricks into skills) would allow each gaming group a very easy control over niche protection or cross-breeding, depending on their taste, because it would be a simple matter of "should we allow or ban the one feat that allows everybody to gain Fighter's Maneuvers?"</blockquote>

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