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<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 126385" data-attributes="member: 1757"><p>"Directly contradicts the published spell description"?</p><p></p><p>You're kidding, right?</p><p></p><p>"The creature is unable to cast spells, use Intelligence-based skills, or communicate coherently."</p><p></p><p>Implying a loss of the ability to use SLAs from the loss of abilities to cast spells, use Intelligence-based skills, and communicate coherently isn't exactly "directly contradict[ing] the spell description." It's a liberal interpretation of the spell effect, but not a contradictory one.</p><p></p><p>I'm not attempting to "think[] about fantasy too hard"; quite the opposite. I'm just applying a coherent explanation of the spell based on the above quote and on the fact that creatures with the ability to use SLAs are just as vulnerable to the spell as spellcasters for save purposes, which implies that the spell is meant to target those individuals as well. And yes, destroying the capacity of a creature to reason to the point of crippling that creature's ability even to communicate coherently would indicate to me that the creature also would be incapable of invoking its SLAs.</p><p></p><p>Would you rule that feeblemind didn't affect a psion's ability to manifest his powers (SLA)? A wizard's ability to cast spells prepared using the Innate Spell feat? Where do you stop with this one?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 126385, member: 1757"] "Directly contradicts the published spell description"? You're kidding, right? "The creature is unable to cast spells, use Intelligence-based skills, or communicate coherently." Implying a loss of the ability to use SLAs from the loss of abilities to cast spells, use Intelligence-based skills, and communicate coherently isn't exactly "directly contradict[ing] the spell description." It's a liberal interpretation of the spell effect, but not a contradictory one. I'm not attempting to "think[] about fantasy too hard"; quite the opposite. I'm just applying a coherent explanation of the spell based on the above quote and on the fact that creatures with the ability to use SLAs are just as vulnerable to the spell as spellcasters for save purposes, which implies that the spell is meant to target those individuals as well. And yes, destroying the capacity of a creature to reason to the point of crippling that creature's ability even to communicate coherently would indicate to me that the creature also would be incapable of invoking its SLAs. Would you rule that feeblemind didn't affect a psion's ability to manifest his powers (SLA)? A wizard's ability to cast spells prepared using the Innate Spell feat? Where do you stop with this one? [/QUOTE]
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