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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 128396" data-attributes="member: 3146">IMHO, this is quite silly. There are a number of spells of equal level (or lower) that not only shut down a creature's abilities but outright kill them.Phantasmal Killer is a 4th level spell.Slay Living is a 5th level spell (I'd say that takes away a very influential aspect of a creature's CR)Dismissal is a 4th level spell for clerics and a 5th level spell for wizards.Keep in mind that while Feeblemind will usually require a more difficult save than the other spells listed here (and works at range unlike Slay Living), it is less useful against opponents without spells or spell like abilities (animals, dire animals, constructs, some undead, fighters, rogues, etc). Phantasmal Killer and Slay Living work against most of these creatures.Dismissal is perhaps a better example as it completely eliminates the vast majority of creatures that actually have spell like abilities.The nail in the coffin of this CR based theory however, is the wizard: a wizard has a CR equal to his level. Feeblemind doesn't just remove a portion of the wizard's CR however--it almost completely eliminates the wizard as a threat. Under the logic of this post, that would mean that wizards CRs need to be dropped by 2 to 4 points across the board.As the silliness of that conclusion demonstrates, however, there's nothing wrong with a 5th level spell eliminating a creature as a threat. That's what spells are for. (And what do magic missile, fireball, cone of cold, and even meteor swarm do if not eliminate threats)?</blockquote>

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