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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 128666" data-attributes="member: 2486">Having trawled through the pages, I'm inclined to say that Feeblemind does remove the ability to use spell-like abilities.The opposite camp have four principal arguments:A. It would reduce the CR of the creature if this were the case.B. It doesn't say so in the PHB.C. Spell-like Abilities are different to Spells.D. It would make Feeblemind too powerful.A. is a meaningless and illogical argument.&nbsp; As mentioned before, certain spells (most notably Slay Living) can remove a proportion of the creature's CR.&nbsp; That a top-level fighter can be Dominated does not reduce his CR, neither does the presence of Feeblemind reduce a wizard's CR.B. is stronger, but tragically short-sighted.&nbsp; The PHB may have created a loophole, but the MM states (p.9): These creatures are subject to the same spellcasting rules as creatures are...now flick back to the Feeblemind description: The creature is unable to cast spells.&nbsp; So if SLAs are treated by the same rules as spells, and Feeblemind prevents spellcasting, then the logic is that Feeblemind prevents SLAs.&nbsp; Use a combination of books to achieve maximum effect <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> C. See above, p.9 of the MM makes it fairly clear how to treat SLAs.D. Not true.&nbsp; Feeblemind is powerful, but Dominate can not just reduce or eliminate a threat, but actually convert them to your side; Slay Living eliminates a threat; Hold Person near as damn it does; Polymorph Other etc.Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that SLAs are to be treated with the 'same spellcasting rules' and hence are vulnerable to being Feebleminded.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Al, post: 128666, member: 2486"] Having trawled through the pages, I'm inclined to say that Feeblemind does remove the ability to use spell-like abilities. The opposite camp have four principal arguments: A. It would reduce the CR of the creature if this were the case. B. It doesn't say so in the PHB. C. Spell-like Abilities are different to Spells. D. It would make Feeblemind too powerful. A. is a meaningless and illogical argument. As mentioned before, certain spells (most notably Slay Living) can remove a proportion of the creature's CR. That a top-level fighter can be Dominated does not reduce his CR, neither does the presence of Feeblemind reduce a wizard's CR. B. is stronger, but tragically short-sighted. The PHB may have created a loophole, but the MM states (p.9): These creatures are subject to the same spellcasting rules as creatures are...now flick back to the Feeblemind description: The creature is unable to cast spells. So if SLAs are treated by the same rules as spells, and Feeblemind prevents spellcasting, then the logic is that Feeblemind prevents SLAs. Use a combination of books to achieve maximum effect :D C. See above, p.9 of the MM makes it fairly clear how to treat SLAs. D. Not true. Feeblemind is powerful, but Dominate can not just reduce or eliminate a threat, but actually convert them to your side; Slay Living eliminates a threat; Hold Person near as damn it does; Polymorph Other etc. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that SLAs are to be treated with the 'same spellcasting rules' and hence are vulnerable to being Feebleminded. [/QUOTE]

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