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<blockquote data-quote="Michael Tree" data-source="post: 129525" data-attributes="member: 1455">I'm amazed that there is so much controversy over such a simple, straightforward rule.The rule is that a feebleminded creature is unable to cast spells.&nbsp; Using a spell like ability is not casting a spell.&nbsp; End or argument.&nbsp; It's that simple.From the PH glossary. &quot;spell-like ability (Sp): A special ability with effects that resemble those of a spell.&nbsp; In most cases, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of the same name.&quot;Spell-like abilities have the same effects as spells, but no where does it mention that they are used the same way.&nbsp; Using SLAs and casting spells are distinct and different actions, but create the same outcome.&nbsp; Feeblemind does not affect the outcome, but the process of casting spells.As a further argument, since spells are listed as being spell-like abilities in the MM, spells are a subset of spell like abilities.&nbsp; Spells are just one type of spell-like ability.&nbsp; However, just because something afects the subset, it does not logically follow that the whole is similarly affected.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Michael Tree, post: 129525, member: 1455"] I'm amazed that there is so much controversy over such a simple, straightforward rule. The rule is that a feebleminded creature is unable to cast spells. Using a spell like ability is not casting a spell. End or argument. It's that simple. From the PH glossary. "[b]spell-like ability (Sp):[/b] A special ability with effects that resemble those of a spell. In most cases, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of the same name." Spell-like abilities have the same [b]effects[/b] as spells, but no where does it mention that they are used the same way. Using SLAs and casting spells are distinct and different actions, but create the same outcome. Feeblemind does not affect the outcome, but the process of casting spells. As a further argument, since spells are listed as being spell-like abilities in the MM, spells are a subset of spell like abilities. Spells are just one type of spell-like ability. However, just because something afects the subset, it does not logically follow that the whole is similarly affected. [/QUOTE]

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