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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8425741" data-attributes="member: 84112">it is no harder to run 4e without combat then it is 3e, 2e, or 5e (or WOD, or GURPS, or almost any system...I say almost because RIFTs exists). You are letting "I don't like it" shade your ability to be inclusive. the first time I say tactically fighting on a grid take over was a store game I couldn't stand back in the late 90s. and they called it 3e but it was just a bunch of optional rules from Combat and Tactics, Spells and Powers, and a third book I can't remember right now. 2 players 1 DM and 6 character (aka each playing 3 characters) going through what I would call a board game. However When I complained one of my friends reminded me in my first game I ran since no one "wanted to be the cleric" we had the guy playing the fighter/thief roll up a cleric as a secondary character... who never spoke, didn't do much other then turn undead and cast spells (mostly healing) so it wasn't really worse.The worst time I saw it was 3.5 around the time I was looking for a new game (maybe 2ish years before 4e was announced) when I saw multi groups between cons stores, and even a home game I walked away from turn into what I then called 'space counters'The least war gamey game I have ever played/run in was useing the 4e system to play a Harry Dresden style game in a modern world refluffing things.  We advanced from level 7-13 without a single fight that PC were part of.The worst 4e game I played in was using dungeon delve though... but it wasn't bad because of a lack of RP (I never remember 4e ever lacking for RP) but because the DM was a trash person and drove off one of the players because they didn't think "That type of person" should be in the hobby... and that story is 100% game/system agnostic.... although it is funny he WAS useing dungeon delve and Book of VIle Darkness as his main books.I would play any edition OTHER then 3e/3.5/PF right now...even though I did play those for years, they are my least favorite. I never say "that edition is only X" or even "That edition is what is wrong" or "That edition is the worst" me not likeing something doesn't make me have to think nothing good came from it...try to look back and name 3 good things that came form 4e, if you can't maybe you need to admit you are letting your personal prefrence color too much.</blockquote>

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