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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8426037" data-attributes="member: 7032025"><p>Yes, it is, I've tried. The fact is that 4e powers are all combat orientated, there is nothing in the classes for exploration or social apart from skills. Rituals take too long and too many resources. So yes, it is harder, it was definitely harder for our style of play.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't take me wrong, I started loving 3e/PF but now I can't even play the latest PF computer game, full of silly subclasses and modifier that don't mean anything. But I would not play 4e again, I really hate grids and the boardgame aspect, and the restriction to combat powers</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Contrary to what you think, I always say that there were really good things about 4e, and that for a specific type of play (CaS) it is nearly perfect, it's complete, tight, with no loopholes, extremely well done. The idea to get everything balanced and controlled was an interesting one. And the rituals were really a good idea. And some of the classes (Warlord, Swordmage) were extremely well done and very original, I really regret the lack of equivalency in 5e. Apart from this, the setting of the Points of Light was brilliant for starting new campaigns. And, last but not least, the Feywild and the Shadowfell were brilliant ideas.</p><p></p><p>I do not hate the edition, and I do not even dislike it, it's just that it's probably the one which we found to be the less suited to the type of game that our tables have loved for the last 35 years, mostly narrative and always epic, that's all. And this is why I would not play it again. At my venerable age, I want to play what I like, I don't have time to experiment and try to see if I was wrong with what proved to be not really suitable to our tastes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8426037, member: 7032025"] Yes, it is, I've tried. The fact is that 4e powers are all combat orientated, there is nothing in the classes for exploration or social apart from skills. Rituals take too long and too many resources. So yes, it is harder, it was definitely harder for our style of play. Don't take me wrong, I started loving 3e/PF but now I can't even play the latest PF computer game, full of silly subclasses and modifier that don't mean anything. But I would not play 4e again, I really hate grids and the boardgame aspect, and the restriction to combat powers Contrary to what you think, I always say that there were really good things about 4e, and that for a specific type of play (CaS) it is nearly perfect, it's complete, tight, with no loopholes, extremely well done. The idea to get everything balanced and controlled was an interesting one. And the rituals were really a good idea. And some of the classes (Warlord, Swordmage) were extremely well done and very original, I really regret the lack of equivalency in 5e. Apart from this, the setting of the Points of Light was brilliant for starting new campaigns. And, last but not least, the Feywild and the Shadowfell were brilliant ideas. I do not hate the edition, and I do not even dislike it, it's just that it's probably the one which we found to be the less suited to the type of game that our tables have loved for the last 35 years, mostly narrative and always epic, that's all. And this is why I would not play it again. At my venerable age, I want to play what I like, I don't have time to experiment and try to see if I was wrong with what proved to be not really suitable to our tastes. [/QUOTE]
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