Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss

[Razz]

I'm sure they're good, but Razz typically is only interested when the material comes directly from Wizards or Paizo.

I think I'd be a good bet to say that the "lesser" demons will be converted, but I wouldn't put any money on the Demon Lords. Of course, I'm in no place to answer that.

Yeah you're right. I am picky about only using Paizo/WotC material, but if the unofficial conversions are worthy I won't be entirely too picky.

I do hope, however, that they convert the BoVD monsters/demon princes/archdevils soon. In Dragon magazine style, too. They made Pazuzu, Frab, and I'm sure Zuggtmoy some TRUE demon princes/princesses. I like their stats for those, and the prestige class, new monster and historical and other fluff is awesome.

All of Demonicon is awesome. I only wish they had a Diabolicon (devils) and a Daemonicon (yugoloths) also.

 

[Razz]

I thought I started the Dragon Magazine on a new thread, my fault. I didn't realize I hit REPLY and not NEW

 

[ruleslawyer]

Yeah you're right. I am picky about only using Paizo/WotC material, but if the unofficial conversions are worthy I won't be entirely too picky.

Well, since the archfiends are "unique" NPCs (though aren't they all?), the unofficial conversions may be worth reading through. At the very least, I would recommend scanning them for flavor text, which the Dicefreaks... er, freaks have produced in vast quantity.

I do hope, however, that they convert the BoVD monsters/demon princes/archdevils soon. In Dragon magazine style, too. They made Pazuzu, Frab, and I'm sure Zuggtmoy some TRUE demon princes/princesses. I like their stats for those, and the prestige class, new monster and historical and other fluff is awesome.

Dragon mag actually seems to me like the place to do it. (Hint, Paizo people, Erik, and James?)

 

[BOZ]

i strongly suspect that, while they would like to redo Orcus, Demogorgon, Juiblex, and Yeenoghu, they are prohibited from doing so in Dragon mag. how else would you explain a million people asking for it and no response? (unless, of course, they are going to reappear in "proper" format in this book, and therefore the writers can't comment yet...)

 

[Pants]

i strongly suspect that, while they would like to redo Orcus, Demogorgon, Juiblex, and Yeenoghu, they are prohibited from doing so in Dragon mag. how else would you explain a million people asking for it and no response? (unless, of course, they are going to reappear in "proper" format in this book, and therefore the writers can't comment yet...)

Probably because they're giving some space to 'classic Fiends that got gipped.' Technically, Graz'zt, Orcus, Demo, HedgeSlime Juiblex, and Yeeno all got writeups.

Fraz, Pazuzu, and Zuggy, all classic D&D Archfiends, haven't really gotten much info since 1e and MAYBE 2e.

I'd personally rather not see any Archfiend stats in the books as no one can really agree as to how powerful they should be. Plus, they'd take up a lot of room. The Dragon Magazine articles are a great way to give some space for extensive info on the demonic princes.

 

[Razz]

Probably because they're giving some space to 'classic Fiends that got gipped.' Technically, Graz'zt, Orcus, Demo, HedgeSlime Juiblex, and Yeeno all got writeups.

Fraz, Pazuzu, and Zuggy, all classic D&D Archfiends, haven't really gotten much info since 1e and MAYBE 2e.

I'd personally rather not see any Archfiend stats in the books as no one can really agree as to how powerful they should be. Plus, they'd take up a lot of room. The Dragon Magazine articles are a great way to give some space for extensive info on the demonic princes.

I believe Dragon has done a fine job presenting them in 3e stats. Powerful enough to prove a challenge to PCs, yet not entirely deific. BoVD demon princes were kinda weak and I would like to see a Dragon Magazine-version of the BoVD demon princes done.

 

[BOZ]

Fraz, Pazuzu, and Zuggy, all classic D&D Archfiends, haven't really gotten much info since 1e and MAYBE 2e.

of those, Pazuzu/Pazrael definitely got the most treatment. the other two were mentioned more than once, but Pazrael had actual stats and a full page of MC-style info.

 

[Erik Mona]

When we started the Demonomicon articles in Dragon, we very definitely avoided the demon princes/lords who had appeared in the Book of Vile Darkness, and instead chose to focus upon demons who had not been covered recently. The idea was that doing so would give us more time since the publication of the BoVD, and we could get around to the big guys eventually.

How this book will affect those plans has yet to be seen, but I feel safe in saying that we don't plan to cover Graz'zt, Yeenoghu, Juiblex, etc. in the magazine in the near future.

--Erik

 

[bastrak]

Erik's second paragraph looks to me like a big hint that Fiendish Codex I will have Graz'zt, Yeenoghu, Juiblex, etc in it updated from BoVD to 3.5.

 

[BOZ]

it may. at the very least, you can feel confident in betting the farm on this book covering each of them in great detail; whether or not stats will be present instead of a "see the BoVD" blurb is debatable.