Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss

[Desdichado]

The chasme, bar-lgura, nabassu, and molydeus all deserve a write up. I particularly like the mature nabassu in Castle Maure.

I think most of those were written up in The Book of Vile Darkness, actually.

I certainly hope this book doesn't spend much time reprinting stuff in other books, like that. I've already got most of the even vaguely fiendish stuff that's out there.

 

[Shade]

I think most of those were written up in The Book of Vile Darkness, actually.

I certainly hope this book doesn't spend much time reprinting stuff in other books, like that. I've already got most of the even vaguely fiendish stuff that's out there.

I, on the other hand, really hope all the demons from the BoVD are in there. As most of the fiends got a bit of power boost when updated to 3.5, those few in books that haven't gottent the 3.5 update (like the Book of Vile Darkness) deserve the same.

And of course, the molydeus and bulezau will hopefully make their 3.x debut here.

I'd also love to see variant half-fiend templates to better recreate the cambion and alu-fiend.

 

[Desdichado]

I, on the other hand, really hope all the demons from the BoVD are in there. As most of the fiends got a bit of power boost when updated to 3.5, those few in books that haven't gottent the 3.5 update (like the Book of Vile Darkness) deserve the same.

That's true; I forgot that book was pre-revision.

 

[Mouseferatu]

QUESTION: (Maybe this has already been covered, but I didn't catch it.)

Will it have the randomly generated demon tables of (or similar to) the ones in old AD&D Dungeon Masters Guide? (and I think the Hordeling of later AD&D had an approximation, but the 1st Ed. one was more fun).

They used to have these nested tables for coming up with demons like 1st you'd roll a head type, then a body type, then a number of limbs... etc. It was actually a lot of fun.

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The Iconic Bestiary: Classics of Fantasy from Lion's Den Press has conceptually similar tables for use in creating our "replacement critter" for the slaad. There's no reason you couldn't use the tables for random demon creation as well.

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[UniversalMonster]

Thanks Ari I will check it out!

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

naaaah ... but does this mean that there is something I should be seeking out and examining?

Just that Joss Whedon's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel" TV series both closely echo your views that vampires are damned souls on Earth. The only vampires who do not behave as creatures of evil have either had human souls restored to them (this happens twice, amazingly), are being forced to behave themselves (this happens once, and even then, he chafes against it as much as possible) or are faking it for one reason or another (the very final episode finally explains one vampire's behavior this way, and the vampire isn't hated for its betrayal, it's seen as it behaving as its species must).

(OTOH, Whedon is very loose with the term "demon," seemingly using it for any extra-dimensional being. Many of them are evil, but a distressing number of them are all over the map morally, including the karaoke-singing demon who eventually became a series regular, blah.)

 

[BOZ]

I, on the other hand, really hope all the demons from the BoVD are in there. As most of the fiends got a bit of power boost when updated to 3.5, those few in books that haven't gottent the 3.5 update (like the Book of Vile Darkness) deserve the same.

And of course, the molydeus and bulezau will hopefully make their 3.x debut here.

I'd also love to see variant half-fiend templates to better recreate the cambion and alu-fiend.

sure, why not... i'll agree with all of that.

 

[Dr. Harry]

Just that Joss Whedon's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel" TV series both closely echo your views that vampires are damned souls on Earth. The only vampires who do not behave as creatures of evil have either had human souls restored to them (this happens twice, amazingly), are being forced to behave themselves (this happens once, and even then, he chafes against it as much as possible) or are faking it for one reason or another (the very final episode finally explains one vampire's behavior this way, and the vampire isn't hated for its betrayal, it's seen as it behaving as its species must).

Ah, thanks. I have actually seen very little of either series, hence my cluelessness.

 

[Zaukrie]

I'd love to see the Hordelings tables in there. I'm sure it is much too late to influence the content, but since Demons are beasts of Chaos and evil, that would be great.

 

[demiurge1138]

I, on the other hand, really hope all the demons from the BoVD are in there. As most of the fiends got a bit of power boost when updated to 3.5, those few in books that haven't gottent the 3.5 update (like the Book of Vile Darkness) deserve the same.

And of course, the molydeus and bulezau will hopefully make their 3.x debut here.

I'd also love to see variant half-fiend templates to better recreate the cambion and alu-fiend.

All but one fiend in 3.5 got a power boost. The babau got severely crippled from its BOVD (and 1e/2e) incarnation, losing a lot of hit dice and the weakness gaze. My one pet peeve with the 3.5 outsiders.

Demiurge out.