D&D 5E Fightclub: Ancient Red Dragon vs. Emyprean Titan

[Dausuul]

Question: where are you getting stats for the titan?

Empyrean: http://i.imgur.com/S8vL5qW.jpg
Ancient red: http://www.enworld.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=63627&d=1408391539

I don't think you can answer this question without first setting up the scenario and environment. That can make a world of difference to the outcome.

Agreed. IMO, the key questions are:

1) How far apart do they start?
2) Do they have room to fly? How much room?
3) Are they each able to use their full complement of legendary actions?
4) Is there anything the dragon can burn to produce smoke? (This may seem like an odd one, but the dragon has blindsight and the empyrean doesn't. The empyrean's truesight lets it see in darkness, but not through smoke. If the dragon can produce enough smoke to heavily obscure the arena, it will be attacking with advantage and the empyrean with disadvantage, which is a killer.)

 

[jrowland]

So who wins in a fight between a Ancient Red Dragon and Empyrean?

Depends.

Legal Fights? The Empyrean.
Martial Fight: The Dragon or The Empyrean (whoever wins initiative)
Marital Fight? The wife...always the wife.

 

[gyor]

Well the Empyrean could use Earthquake to drop the Dragon's lair on its head or at least try to.

In a full fight with legendary actions up, the Ancient Red Dragon does 14 fire damage per turn max, aside from its fire breath, while the Empyrean can do 31 damage with its maul, twice, once with its action and once as a reaction (legendary action). The Red Dragons only chance is its hit points. Of course if there a large body of water around, the Empyrean can try and drown the Dragon.

 

[gyor]

The Spellcasting Variant with a Dragon changes things. The Empyrean doesn't have a spellcasting variant but I see no reason the rule couldn't be apply to the Empyrean.

Plus couple of things I noticed about the Empyreans, the 2e Titan upon which it is based has more spells it can cast, like invisiblity, but the Empyrean has the advantage of Diety Parents (or possible grandparents if the parents ade two Empyreans), the 2e Titan were not said to be the children of the Gods, just Godlike, so this new twist sets the Empyrean apart. So the Ancient Dragon Dragon is unlikely to want to fight someone who will just keep coming back becausw he parent who is a God by the way, decides to resurrect him every time you kill him.

 

[MarkB]

The Spellcasting Variant with a Dragon changes things. The Empyrean doesn't have a spellcasting variant but I see no reason the rule couldn't be apply to the Empyrean.

The Empyrean is a spellcaster. Why would it need a variant that is a spellcaster?

 

[gyor]

The Empyrean is a spellcaster. Why would it need a variant that is a spellcaster?

I meant class spells, not a handful of innate spells.

 

[MarkB]

I meant class spells, not a handful of innate spells.

Wow, that reply was a long time coming. I don't even remember what an Empyrean is.

 

[Ancalagon]

Wow, that reply was a long time coming. I don't even remember what an Empyrean is.

... a creature who's mastered thread necromancy?

 

[gyor]

... a creature who's mastered thread necromancy?

Death is no bar to my unholy necromatic power. Now sacrifice a dozen virgins to my mastery of dark powers or feel my WRATH mawahahahahaha.

 

[BookBarbarian]

Death is no bar to my unholy necromatic power. Now sacrifice a dozen virgins to my mastery of dark powers or feel my WRATH mawahahahahaha.

A couple more months and you could have had the perfect "4 years later" reply.

I can only award a half dozen virgins at best.