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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8974821" data-attributes="member: 15700">Where are the examples? It's always &quot;well, this one time&quot; but no one can actually point to an actual example.&nbsp; No one on these forums has made the argument that someone who prefers complex classes to be less intelligent or not creative enough. That's not what people who prefer simpler classes are saying.&nbsp; Maybe if you go back you might find one person, but what % of the posts are that?&nbsp; And how many posts by DMs have posted that they'd make a ruling that we found unreasonable? That's what rare is.&nbsp; Something that happens....rarely.No it's not. No rules will fix bad players.&nbsp; That's been a given for, well, since forever. If it were a game design problem and not a player problem, then every game table from 1974 to 2000 would have experienced this problem.&nbsp; And we most assuredly did not.You can.&nbsp; That's what we have been saying the whole time.&nbsp; No one is saying we should only have simple classes. Rather it's the opposite. It's people like Incenjucar saying we don't need simple classes.&nbsp; I'm sorry, but the &quot;side&quot; that's advocating for exclusion is your side on this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8974821, member: 15700"] Where are the examples? It's always "well, this one time" but no one can actually point to an actual example. No one on these forums has made the argument that someone who prefers complex classes to be less intelligent or not creative enough. That's not what people who prefer simpler classes are saying. Maybe if you go back you might find one person, but what % of the posts are that? And how many posts by DMs have posted that they'd make a ruling that we found unreasonable? That's what rare is. Something that happens....rarely. No it's not. No rules will fix bad players. That's been a given for, well, since forever. If it were a game design problem and not a player problem, then every game table from 1974 to 2000 would have experienced this problem. And we most assuredly did not. You can. That's what we have been saying the whole time. No one is saying we should only have simple classes. Rather it's the opposite. It's people like Incenjucar saying we don't need simple classes. I'm sorry, but the "side" that's advocating for exclusion is your side on this. [/QUOTE]

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