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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8974825" data-attributes="member: 67338">it's not bad players... give a new class (call it warlord or warblade or swordsage) the power and options available to a caster while fulff stays martial and the problem solves itselfif it wasn't a problem then 4e never would have been made... by the end of 3.5 (the worst edition for it) you find that more tables had the problem reported then didn't.I notice you tried to cut 3e out though... you know back when classes were more balanced, before saves saceled with casters and all casters got extra spells, back when casters had major limits like % chance to know a spell...no it isn't I have pushed my "break the fighter in 3" in like 20 threads just since 1D&D was announced and I started the idea a few years before that</blockquote>