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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8975539" data-attributes="member: 15700">You're hitting on one of two points that seems to be ignored in these discussions. Yes, the fighter doesn't have all those wild and crazy spells, but the do have other passive affects that wizards don't have: higher HP, better AC, damage you can do all day long and reliably, etc. It's like people forget that casters are limited to how many spells they can cast and prepare. Almost like people just play 5MWD all the time or something...If you (general you) start giving fighters powers on par with casters, well now you've made them an uber class and will find yourself needing to buff the casters even more to make them equal. And you end up with an arms race of class design. I saw this because as you say, the fighter is already pretty popular and most people don't seem to have a problem with them being significantly underpowered (judging by survey results)The second point address the "there's nothing a fighter can do that any other class can't as well." That's not true. Both literally, and in general practice.  Wizards or others won't have the stats a fighter typically does (high strength or constitution), so when the player wants to do some great maneuver even if they don't have a specific power for it, and the GM asks for a strength ability check (which is pretty typical IME historically, and almost always roll-under to see if you make it), the fighter has a chance. The wizard has almost no chance of succeeding.And then for other things like "I throw my shield at the wall, hoping to have it ricochet and hit the creature around the corner.", the caster can't do that. They don't have shields. That's just an example.So no, it's not true to say "Without powers for the fighter, there is nothing they can do that all the other classes can't."Edit Again, for clarity, I have no problems with complex fighters with powers. I see a use for them. I see an appeal for them. But I also see a want and need for a simple fighter, and disagree with the assessments some have said around them. Just because something doesn't have a specific power doesn't mean they are more limited (we have one person saying they find them more free, and I agree based on my own experience). Any mother-may-I retort is a red herring.</blockquote>

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