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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8975615" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>And I'm sure others would rather have more HP every level that last the entire game than one invisibility spell you could cast once and may never even come up where you used it. </p><p></p><p>Fighters can wear any armor. Not all classes can do that.</p><p></p><p>What about them? Fighters can use any weapon, and use it over and over. Which casters can use all cantrips?</p><p></p><p>I'm talking about the class design surveys WotC put out. The idea that fighters were underpowered never came up as a big issue in those surveys (as shared by Wotc). There were questions specifically around class balance and design, so your assumption isn't accurate. </p><p></p><p>there's no contradiction there at all. The claim is that "there's nothing a fighter can do that every other class can't." Not every class can use a shield. That one example proves the statement false, which is all that's needed. There are other examples that also support this, but you only need one example proving something false to call it false. </p><p>And it's not "an extremely permissive DM." Since day 1, there have been guidelines for how DMs can handle these ad-hoc requests. In fact, if you talk to a lot of old schoolers (like Tim Kask and Gary himself when he was alive), they were huge proponents of "unless it's explicitly denied, allow it." Which is at odds with the post 3e philosophy of "unless it's explicitly permitted, deny it." This is not just me coming up with a slogan--this has been a very common phrase used for a long time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8975615, member: 15700"] And I'm sure others would rather have more HP every level that last the entire game than one invisibility spell you could cast once and may never even come up where you used it. Fighters can wear any armor. Not all classes can do that. What about them? Fighters can use any weapon, and use it over and over. Which casters can use all cantrips? I'm talking about the class design surveys WotC put out. The idea that fighters were underpowered never came up as a big issue in those surveys (as shared by Wotc). There were questions specifically around class balance and design, so your assumption isn't accurate. there's no contradiction there at all. The claim is that "there's nothing a fighter can do that every other class can't." Not every class can use a shield. That one example proves the statement false, which is all that's needed. There are other examples that also support this, but you only need one example proving something false to call it false. And it's not "an extremely permissive DM." Since day 1, there have been guidelines for how DMs can handle these ad-hoc requests. In fact, if you talk to a lot of old schoolers (like Tim Kask and Gary himself when he was alive), they were huge proponents of "unless it's explicitly denied, allow it." Which is at odds with the post 3e philosophy of "unless it's explicitly permitted, deny it." This is not just me coming up with a slogan--this has been a very common phrase used for a long time. [/QUOTE]
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