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<blockquote data-quote="balthanon" data-source="post: 8512112" data-attributes="member: 23495"><p>A paladin ranger focused on fighting evil dragons could be interesting-- Ranger isn't really worth splashing for the favored enemy (other than qualifying for prestige classes), but it <em>is</em> worth splashing for the skill points, ranged feats, and other elements of the class. If you wanted to combine the two with Divine Crusader I could see going with something simple like Ranger 3/Paladin 4/Divine Crusader 1/Other Prestige Class (progressing divine casting) X. As an Aasimar, you already have most of the Divine Crusader class abilities.</p><p></p><p>I assume most of what you don't like about ranger is the "wilderness" feel to it, so you could go with one of the alternates in Unearthed Arcana like the Urban Ranger.</p><p></p><p>The first D&D character I ever played (well, played longer term, since I joined a campaign right on the last session) was actually a half-drow cleric of Sune-- I can recommend that deity, she's a lot of fun. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> And given that you're going to be highly focused on Charisma with the spellcasting based on it plus Paladin abilities, you should fit right in. Given the restrictions on alignment for Divine Crusader, you might need to play the alternate version that can be Chaotic Good. (For gameplay purposes, Tymora probably has better domains to choose from, but Sune's ethos is definitely more fun to roleplay. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />)</p><p></p><p>Options for the "Prestige Class X" portion of the build could be something that continues in the full BAB category like Dragonslayer (Draconomicon, not a particularly good option, but thematic) or Fist of Raziel (Book of Exalted Deeds); or you can try and dip into some other prestige classes to pick up additional domains. If you have a particularly lenient DM, maybe you could even get him to let you take Prestige Paladin and Prestige Ranger after Divine Crusader to get Paladin and Ranger spells back while still getting full BAB. (Normally the prestige versions replace the base classes. Hmm... another issue is actually getting calm animals as a spell; the animal domain does work for this, but obviously Sune doesn't have it-- Planar Touchstone (Catalogs of Enlightenment) would likely work though.)</p><p></p><p>Ranger 3/Paladin 4/Divine Crusader 2/Prestige Paladin 3/Prestige Ranger 8 could be fun (or vice versa with more paladin than ranger). Take some metamagic feats in order to use your paladin and ranger spells effectively in higher level spell slots and the level order would definitely be mixed up a bit to distribute skill points and class features as desired. 8th level spells, +19 BAB, quite a few bonus feats and a decent amount of class progression. If you can throw in some feats or other methods of <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732" target="_blank">using Cha instead of other stats</a>, you could be in pretty good shape for avoiding MAD too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="balthanon, post: 8512112, member: 23495"] A paladin ranger focused on fighting evil dragons could be interesting-- Ranger isn't really worth splashing for the favored enemy (other than qualifying for prestige classes), but it [I]is[/I] worth splashing for the skill points, ranged feats, and other elements of the class. If you wanted to combine the two with Divine Crusader I could see going with something simple like Ranger 3/Paladin 4/Divine Crusader 1/Other Prestige Class (progressing divine casting) X. As an Aasimar, you already have most of the Divine Crusader class abilities. I assume most of what you don't like about ranger is the "wilderness" feel to it, so you could go with one of the alternates in Unearthed Arcana like the Urban Ranger. The first D&D character I ever played (well, played longer term, since I joined a campaign right on the last session) was actually a half-drow cleric of Sune-- I can recommend that deity, she's a lot of fun. :) And given that you're going to be highly focused on Charisma with the spellcasting based on it plus Paladin abilities, you should fit right in. Given the restrictions on alignment for Divine Crusader, you might need to play the alternate version that can be Chaotic Good. (For gameplay purposes, Tymora probably has better domains to choose from, but Sune's ethos is definitely more fun to roleplay. :)) Options for the "Prestige Class X" portion of the build could be something that continues in the full BAB category like Dragonslayer (Draconomicon, not a particularly good option, but thematic) or Fist of Raziel (Book of Exalted Deeds); or you can try and dip into some other prestige classes to pick up additional domains. If you have a particularly lenient DM, maybe you could even get him to let you take Prestige Paladin and Prestige Ranger after Divine Crusader to get Paladin and Ranger spells back while still getting full BAB. (Normally the prestige versions replace the base classes. Hmm... another issue is actually getting calm animals as a spell; the animal domain does work for this, but obviously Sune doesn't have it-- Planar Touchstone (Catalogs of Enlightenment) would likely work though.) Ranger 3/Paladin 4/Divine Crusader 2/Prestige Paladin 3/Prestige Ranger 8 could be fun (or vice versa with more paladin than ranger). Take some metamagic feats in order to use your paladin and ranger spells effectively in higher level spell slots and the level order would definitely be mixed up a bit to distribute skill points and class features as desired. 8th level spells, +19 BAB, quite a few bonus feats and a decent amount of class progression. If you can throw in some feats or other methods of [URL='http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732']using Cha instead of other stats[/URL], you could be in pretty good shape for avoiding MAD too. [/QUOTE]
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