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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5810411"><p>They wouldn't be the heroes if they were just normal men.</p><p></p><p>That aside, I really think this all stinks highly of "I don't like 4e-ism" and "you're not doing it right". I've ever been able to challenge my players and be challenged as a player by other DMs in 4e. It's not hard. If it means making those orcs a little tougher than we would assume they should be. I've burned up their healing surges with monster trickery, I've pounded them into the ground, and yes, killed them. It's not really hard, I just think people are quick to look at 4e's numbers and say "OMG SO OP!" The reality here too is that things were a lot weaker in earlier editions. This doesn't mean players are OP in 4e, I found almost everything to be scaled up on 4e. </p><p></p><p>Think of this way: Going from white to black seems like a huge difference, but it doesn't mean black is in the wrong. It means neither side found the appropriate middle ground.</p><p></p><p>Me personally? I like heroically powerful heroes, I know few people who want to play Luke Skywalker for the moisture-farm-boy part. "normal people" don't have adventures, they don't discover their innate talents, nor do they find magical rings and fight dragons. Why? Because they're normal. Even LOTR, which seemingly starts with a large helping of "normals" really pushes them farther than their actually "normal" counterparts would go.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 5810411"] They wouldn't be the heroes if they were just normal men. That aside, I really think this all stinks highly of "I don't like 4e-ism" and "you're not doing it right". I've ever been able to challenge my players and be challenged as a player by other DMs in 4e. It's not hard. If it means making those orcs a little tougher than we would assume they should be. I've burned up their healing surges with monster trickery, I've pounded them into the ground, and yes, killed them. It's not really hard, I just think people are quick to look at 4e's numbers and say "OMG SO OP!" The reality here too is that things were a lot weaker in earlier editions. This doesn't mean players are OP in 4e, I found almost everything to be scaled up on 4e. Think of this way: Going from white to black seems like a huge difference, but it doesn't mean black is in the wrong. It means neither side found the appropriate middle ground. Me personally? I like heroically powerful heroes, I know few people who want to play Luke Skywalker for the moisture-farm-boy part. "normal people" don't have adventures, they don't discover their innate talents, nor do they find magical rings and fight dragons. Why? Because they're normal. Even LOTR, which seemingly starts with a large helping of "normals" really pushes them farther than their actually "normal" counterparts would go. [/QUOTE]
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