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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 5810919" data-attributes="member: 1210">And it doesn't matter how many people don't think 4e is D&amp;D, it's still trolling for an edition war to throw that in a post here, and you know it very well.And it doesn't matter how many sales and customers are lost, it's still trolling for an edition war to throw that in a post here, and you know it very well.Bull. You're asserting:All you have to do to make this statement not an edition war troll is add &quot;in my opinion&quot; or &quot;to me&quot; to this statement.In your opinion. To you. Right now, again, all you're doing is edition-war trolling, and I would love to see you stop. Why can't you respect the choices of other gamers without saying, in essence, &quot;Well, that might be a fine game, but it's not D&amp;D!&quot; You can certainly express your opinions and explain where they come from in a way that isn't provocative just by adding four letters (IMHO) to that sentence!You are no more the authority than I am on what &quot;D&amp;D&quot; is, and we are both considerably less the authority than, say, the guys who work on the game for a living, own the IP and publish it. If they put out a simplified game of Risk and call it D&amp;D, it's D&amp;D, no matter how little you like it or even if nobody in the whole world likes it. The guy that owns the stuff and publishes the stuff decides what counts as the stuff.To draw an apt comparison, just because you hate the Phantom Menace doesn't mean it isn't a Star Wars movie.Saying that my game isn't D&amp;D on this board is very close to a personal attack. And it's not just my game- it's the game of thousands of happy 4e players. The no-edition-warring rule is pretty soft here sometimes, but that doesn't mean you need to constantly probe it until you start a fight (not that I'm saying that's your intention, but c'mon, you've ridden this rodeo before- you know DAMN WELL that in the end &quot;your game isn't D&amp;D&quot; doesn't do anything at all but start flame wars, and it certainly doesn't actually help engender civil discussion).Especially when all it takes is &quot;IMHO&quot;, why is it so hard to avoid the &quot;Your game isn't D&amp;D&quot; bs? Seriously, is there some reason why adding &quot;to me&quot; or &quot;in my opinion&quot; is so offensive that you'd rather start (yet another!) flaming edition war than just add those few extra characters to your post? What is gained by being disrespectful to other playstyles? What is wrong with trying to be polite and trying not to provoke the other side of the discussion?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 5810919, member: 1210"] And it doesn't matter how many people don't think 4e is D&D, it's still trolling for an edition war to throw that in a post here, and you know it very well. And it doesn't matter how many sales and customers are lost, it's still trolling for an edition war to throw that in a post here, and you know it very well. Bull. You're asserting: All you have to do to make this statement [i]not an edition war troll[/i] is add "in my opinion" or "to me" to this statement. In your opinion. To you. Right now, again, all you're doing is edition-war trolling, and I would love to see you stop. Why can't you respect the choices of other gamers without saying, in essence, "Well, that might be a fine game, but [b]it's not D&D![/b]" You can certainly express your opinions and explain where they come from in a way that isn't provocative [i]just by adding four letters (IMHO) to that sentence![/i] You are no more the authority than I am on what "D&D" is, and we are both considerably less the authority than, say, the guys who work on the game for a living, own the IP and publish it. If they put out a simplified game of Risk and call it D&D, it's D&D, no matter how little you like it or even if nobody in the whole world likes it. The guy that owns the stuff and publishes the stuff decides what counts as the stuff. To draw an apt comparison, just because you hate the Phantom Menace doesn't mean it isn't a Star Wars movie. Saying that my game isn't D&D on this board is very close to a personal attack. And it's not just my game- it's the game of thousands of happy 4e players. The no-edition-warring rule is pretty soft here sometimes, but that doesn't mean you need to constantly probe it until you start a fight (not that I'm saying that's your intention, but c'mon, you've ridden this rodeo before- you know [b]DAMN WELL[/b] that in the end "your game isn't D&D" doesn't do [i]anything at all[/i] but start flame wars, and it certainly doesn't actually help engender civil discussion). Especially when all it takes is "IMHO", why is it so hard to avoid the "Your game isn't D&D" bs? Seriously, is there some reason why adding "to me" or "in my opinion" is so offensive that you'd rather start (yet another!) flaming edition war than just add those few extra characters to your post? What is gained by being disrespectful to other playstyles? What is wrong with trying to be polite and trying not to provoke the other side of the discussion? [/QUOTE]

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