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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7702116" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>It's not freakin' believable to me either... because heck, a gorilla is about 9x as strong as a human. We can presume anything scaled up involves a scaled up version of the heavier simian frame used by a gorillas or chimpanzees. This results in an 18' tall creature with say 30-40x the weight of a person, but say 60-80x as strong. That's a much lower strength to weight ratio that a gorilla or a chimpanzee, but still higher than the vast majority of humans, because well humans are a terrible basis for theoretical strength of animals as we are almost at the bottom end of the scale when it comes to strength to weight ratios.</p><p></p><p>The problem I frequently have discussing 'realism', is that exactly what is realistic is not easy to determine, but some people are absolutely sure otherwise. If it is close, I'm quite happy to give the benefit of the doubt. If it is illustrating some common trope of fantasy, I'm quite happy to give it the benefit of the doubt.</p><p></p><p>Besides which, since an 18' foot tall giant is on the edge of realism as it is, once we factor in - as I said in the quoted section that they aren't necessarily made of real world materials - I don't have a huge problem with an 18' foot tall giant. As I said, my huge problem here is not only is the giant carrying an unrealistic amount of weight, it is an unrealistic amount of weight that is unrealistic even under the rules of the game. This is a situation where it's not a close run thing, isn't illustrating a common trope of fantasy, and appears to have had very little thought given to it. The picture isn't marginally unrealistic and it's not a normal conceit of fantasy; it's just absurd.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7702116, member: 4937"] It's not freakin' believable to me either... because heck, a gorilla is about 9x as strong as a human. We can presume anything scaled up involves a scaled up version of the heavier simian frame used by a gorillas or chimpanzees. This results in an 18' tall creature with say 30-40x the weight of a person, but say 60-80x as strong. That's a much lower strength to weight ratio that a gorilla or a chimpanzee, but still higher than the vast majority of humans, because well humans are a terrible basis for theoretical strength of animals as we are almost at the bottom end of the scale when it comes to strength to weight ratios. The problem I frequently have discussing 'realism', is that exactly what is realistic is not easy to determine, but some people are absolutely sure otherwise. If it is close, I'm quite happy to give the benefit of the doubt. If it is illustrating some common trope of fantasy, I'm quite happy to give it the benefit of the doubt. Besides which, since an 18' foot tall giant is on the edge of realism as it is, once we factor in - as I said in the quoted section that they aren't necessarily made of real world materials - I don't have a huge problem with an 18' foot tall giant. As I said, my huge problem here is not only is the giant carrying an unrealistic amount of weight, it is an unrealistic amount of weight that is unrealistic even under the rules of the game. This is a situation where it's not a close run thing, isn't illustrating a common trope of fantasy, and appears to have had very little thought given to it. The picture isn't marginally unrealistic and it's not a normal conceit of fantasy; it's just absurd. [/QUOTE]
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