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Fireball/Lightning Bolt vs Chromatic Orb?
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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 9647336" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Crits happen just as often as misses (at 95%). Average damage is the same. </p><p></p><p> Upcasting chromatic orb can drastically up the damage. </p><p></p><p> Sorcerers have an on tap advantage mechanic. </p><p> Lucky feat you get it again. </p><p></p><p> Generally you use it in your highest level slots. Eg don't fire a 4th level chromatic orb without advantage. </p><p></p><p> Personally I try not to use attack spelks without 75% or higher hit rate. </p><p></p><p> 5.5 made it really easy to manipulate dice rolls. Sorcerers can manipulate the damage rolls.</p><p></p><p> A post earlier broke the math down. Level 3 chromatic orb 72%hit chance, level 4 92%. </p><p></p><p> I found it reading up on a thread comparing chromatic orb to chain lightning. I thought they were joking but they weren't. </p><p></p><p> ACs in 5E tend to be low, buffing is easy, advantage is easy. 5.5 also makes getting magic items easy. Our sorcerer has a +1 item but theoretically they coukd aquire two +2 items. +13 to hit with advantage level 9 throwing a 7d8 chromatic orb with a 92% chance of bouncing before dice manipulation and a 10 % chance of critting (15% chance with certain feats). </p><p></p><p> We haven't gone to that extent the sorcerer only has 9 to hit iirc. Throwing it at a paralyzed target is a go to tactic (we have 3 PCs who can cast hold monster now). </p><p></p><p> Twinned hold monster, innate sorcerery they're going to demolish things fast. Firebal can't do that even upcast.</p><p></p><p> If you upcast fireball into a level 5 slot you're kind of bad@game. Synaptic static is much better.</p><p></p><p> 5.5 changed encounter rules as well. The DM would pretty much have to collide with the players to make fireball good. That kind of indicates it's a C tier spell. </p><p></p><p> CR 2 and 3s are packing 50-90 odd hp. At level 8/9 they're essentially fodder. Anything weaker than that save your spells slot for counterspell if nothing else.</p><p></p><p> 5.0 hid a lot of power creep in Xanathars and espicially Tashas. Alot of its in phb now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 9647336, member: 6716779"] Crits happen just as often as misses (at 95%). Average damage is the same. Upcasting chromatic orb can drastically up the damage. Sorcerers have an on tap advantage mechanic. Lucky feat you get it again. Generally you use it in your highest level slots. Eg don't fire a 4th level chromatic orb without advantage. Personally I try not to use attack spelks without 75% or higher hit rate. 5.5 made it really easy to manipulate dice rolls. Sorcerers can manipulate the damage rolls. A post earlier broke the math down. Level 3 chromatic orb 72%hit chance, level 4 92%. I found it reading up on a thread comparing chromatic orb to chain lightning. I thought they were joking but they weren't. ACs in 5E tend to be low, buffing is easy, advantage is easy. 5.5 also makes getting magic items easy. Our sorcerer has a +1 item but theoretically they coukd aquire two +2 items. +13 to hit with advantage level 9 throwing a 7d8 chromatic orb with a 92% chance of bouncing before dice manipulation and a 10 % chance of critting (15% chance with certain feats). We haven't gone to that extent the sorcerer only has 9 to hit iirc. Throwing it at a paralyzed target is a go to tactic (we have 3 PCs who can cast hold monster now). Twinned hold monster, innate sorcerery they're going to demolish things fast. Firebal can't do that even upcast. If you upcast fireball into a level 5 slot you're kind of bad@game. Synaptic static is much better. 5.5 changed encounter rules as well. The DM would pretty much have to collide with the players to make fireball good. That kind of indicates it's a C tier spell. CR 2 and 3s are packing 50-90 odd hp. At level 8/9 they're essentially fodder. Anything weaker than that save your spells slot for counterspell if nothing else. 5.0 hid a lot of power creep in Xanathars and espicially Tashas. Alot of its in phb now. [/QUOTE]
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