Firefly - I just don't get it

[Hijinks]

I believe what Jayne says is along the lines of "If Kaylee were a doctor, she would be a gynecologist." Then everyone looks at him completely shocked. I don't think they would have looked at him like that if he had just said she thought he was cute.

Anyone have the DVD's that can verify? It's the scene where they're all eating dinner for the first time, I believe.

 

[stevelabny]

hijinks, youre reading way too much into it.

jayne says "little kaylee here is wishing you were a gynecologist" to the doctor, cuz jayne immediately picked up on the fact that kaylee was crushing on the doctor.

which is why he also makes the even cruder "lubed up" comment.

 

[Hijinks]

Ok if you just went and watched a DVD and verified that that's what he said, I'll take your word for it; I misremembered. *shrug* I still think she's bi, from her interactions with Inara.

 

[John Crichton]

Ok if you just went and watched a DVD and verified that that's what he said, I'll take your word for it; I misremembered. *shrug* I still think she's bi, from her interactions with Inara.

I can verify this. I've seen all the eps many times (in the teens). That line is in direct reference to her crush on the doc.

I'll also agree that I don't think she has lesbian tendencies. She and Inara have a very sisterly/familial relationship. I'd call it mother/daughter almost but it's more like sisters. And like Jeremy says, Kaylee really has very romantic thoughts towards the way Inara lives her life. Thinks it's glamorous and all.

 

[MaxKaladin]

I think that is true. I've been told by so many fans how amazingly great it is that anything less than the greatest piece of entertainment ever is going to fall short.

I think this is a good summary of the way I feel. I don't think it's bad, but it's falling short of how good the fans made it out to be.

 

[barsoomcore]

It always annoys me when people say "Keep watching this show. You'll start liking it, I promise."

Keep watching this show. You'll start liking it, I promise.



Evidently we have the same friend, as my experience with Neon Genesis was exactly the same as yours.

 

[WayneLigon]

...in that the Alliance (the winners, the group trying to maintain cohesion) is portrayed as the 'bad guy' while the Brown Coats (the losers, the sepratists) are portrayed as freedom fighters seeking their own place in the world. Not only does that decision stand much conventional teaching about the civil war on end, it also places the shows point of view such that we get a different perspective.

Maybe in your neck of the woods Mal's little 'We shall rise again' in the train job is one of his best quotes

 

[haakon1]

To me, it depends on whether you like genre cross-over stuff or not.

I made a thread about that, but nobody came, so I'm thinking most people don't around here. But there's definitely a (small?) audience for it.

Anyhow, I like "Briscoe County Junior" a lot, one of the lesser known products of the guys who made Army of Darkness, Xena, and now Spider-Man. Briscoe made it through several seasons on TV. Firefly is similar in being sci-fi Western cross-over, but the emphasis is on the sci-fi now, instead of the horses and six-shooters with the occassional rocket or alien artifact.

To me, a lot of great "fantasy" is genre cross-over, it's just not obvious about it. My favorite movie steals bits directly from a samurai pic ("The Hidden Fortress"), a western ("The Searchers"), and a British WWII bomber movie with lines like "stay on target, almost there". And that's just the scenes I recognized as image for image/word for word copies. I'm not even mentioning the generic "rip offs" from Greek myth, Arthurian legend, 30's pulp stories and serial adventure movies, etc. Most people would say it's a sci fi movie 'cause it's technically set in space . . .

 

[haakon1]

The parallels between the War of Unification in the series and the American Civil War also interest me, in that the Alliance (the winners, the group trying to maintain cohesion) is portrayed as the 'bad guy' while the Brown Coats (the losers, the sepratists) are portrayed as freedom fighters seeking their own place in the world. Not only does that decision stand much conventional teaching about the civil war on end, it also places the shows point of view such that we get a different perspective.

The South are the good guys more often than not in the Western genre ("The Searchers" and "Outlaw Josie Wales" being two of the best with haunted ex-Confederate cavalary men on the frontier as the hero).

There's a historical basis for it. For example, Jesse James was a Confederate guerrilla in Missouri, before going ronin and becoming a pure outlaw, preying on the Union's interests (banks and railroads) even after the war, to line his own pocket. There's a fine-line between a bushwhacking guerrilla and bushwhacking outlaw.

And of course the Eastern banker -- a Yankee Republican from NY or Boston -- is the stereotypical villain in Westerns.

 

[takyris]

Anyhow, I like "Briscoe County Junior" a lot, one of the lesser known products of the guys who made Army of Darkness, Xena, and now Spider-Man. Briscoe made it through several seasons on TV. Firefly is similar in being sci-fi Western cross-over, but the emphasis is on the sci-fi now, instead of the horses and six-shooters with the occassional rocket or alien artifact.

If I recall correctly, it was "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr." (no "e", despite the name of the actual county), and it only lasted one season. One big, expensive, ratings-dud of a season, for all its wonderful writing.

Gone, but not forgotten.