Firefly

Joker

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I've recently seen the series and there's something I don't understand.

Why in the hell was this cancelled?

I read that it was due to low ratings but am I really that oblivious to what most people like? Because I love this show. It's just fun TV.

It was anyway.

Who needs to die for this to come back?
 

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Did you listen to the comentaries on the DVDs? They don't tell the whole story but they tell a good one.

Yes, you must be oblivious to what people like on TV, because people in general have rarely liked science fiction or anything that non science fiction people can call science fiction.

But it is not that simple. Fox aired them out of order and really treated the show like they didn't like it or just had no idea what to do with it.

Instead of looking for someone to die and being all violent because that will never work, you need to ask: "Who needs to get paid and how much money will it take?"
 

But it is not that simple. Fox aired them out of order and really treated the show like they didn't like it or just had no idea what to do with it.

Yep. Fox aired the pilot last, juggled the episodes in no obvious pattern, didn't show three or four of the episodes at all, and preempted the series on a regular basis. :erm:

Would it have succeeded with a cooperative network? I dunno. I love the show--it's one of my favorites of all time--but I understand that it might not've had broad appeal. But we'll never know, because it wasn't give a fair shot. :(
 

Yeah, Firefly was great TV. I missed it the first time but caught it in reruns on SciFi when it was shown in the order it was originally meant to be seen.

Joker - just in case you don't already know - the 2005 movie Serenity offers some closure to help ease your pain.

B-)
 

Joker - just in case you don't already know - the 2005 movie Serenity offers some closure to help ease your pain.

B-)

On the other hand, you might not want to watch the Serenity movie because the 'closure' it offers isn't necessary what you might be hoping for!

Personally I think the movie re-writes some concepts from the series, doesn't pick up some of the really interesting stuff and makes some decisions which I'm unhappy with but won't mention because of spoilers.

(and I have to say - why did drek like Andromeda survive while Firefly didn't?)
 

i'll admit i was one of the people that never watched it when it was on tv.

i tried watching it once (i think it was the second -originally aired- episode) but i couldn't follow it because it _felt_ like so much had already passed from what i saw that i was lost. (the fact that they weren't aired in order probably has something to do with that)

forward a few years and i gave it another try when it was on reruns on cable. i was able to see it -in order- and that actually made all the difference. i was hooked and HAD to sit through the entire marathon to watch it all.
 


On the other hand, you might not want to watch the Serenity movie because the 'closure' it offers isn't necessary what you might be hoping for!?

Yeah, don't expect any Star Wars happy endings...

(and I have to say - why did drek like Andromeda survive while Firefly didn't)

I have to believe Gene Roddenberry rolled over in his grave over that. And Kevin Sorbo is a David Hasselhoff wannabe. B-)
 

I really don't think that in the case of Firefly it couldn't have found an audience. Really the only mainstream barrier was getting over the "in space" element. I know from personal experience that it can be entertaining for folks who "don't like sci-fi," just as shows like Heroes, Battlestar Galactica, and Lost can gain a mainstream audience.

What killed Firefly was the network, pure and simple. The pilot episode explained why the relatively large ensemble cast was all together in the first place, and set the basis for the plot arc of the season. Fox, in their infinite wisdom, did not air the pilot, fearing it was too much exposition and not enough action. (Interestingly, they seem to repeatedly misunderstand that what Whedon is most loved for is memorable characters and dialogue.) They then proceeded to pre-empt it and show it out of order, ignoring the fact that it was show that benefited from watching it in sequence.

The advertising, IIRC, was anemic at best for a new show. They clearly weren't sure what to do with it from a marketing perspective. It was undoubtedly pigeon-holed as an odd hybrid "sci-fi western" rather than as an ensemble action-drama a la Flash Forward -- had it been marketed as such and broadcast regularly, it might have found an audience.

Luckily for fans, the DVD sales were sufficient to convince a studio that a major motion piction was worthwhile, and so Serenity was born. Ignore the warnings against it if you're used to Joss Whedon's other work, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, as you're probably also used to him sometimes twisting a knife into your gut, plot-wise. It's a very entertaining movie, and a must-see for any fan.

There are also comics written by Whedon that fill in some of the story between the series and the movie. If you're lucky you can find it at a Big Box bookseller or gaming store that stocks graphic novels.
 

Even after the great DVD sales and word of mouth the movie did not perform well. According to wikipedia it didn't even gross 40 million. So, even after it seemingly found an audience with the DVDs it was either not faithful or really not there.
 

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