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<blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 4404094" data-attributes="member: 62560">Using sustainable attacks, when the only difference is class, a 3rd edition monk will be 1-5 points behind the ranger in attack bonus, and be making 0-1 fewer attacks.&nbsp; These differences depend on level, and usually get worse for the monk as levels go up.Using at-will powers, when the only difference is class, a 4th edition warlord will be 0-3 points behind the ranger in attack bonus, and will be making 0-1 fewer attacks.&nbsp; These differences do not change with level, and are never both at maximum, as the ranger has to choose between the extra attack and the extra accuracy.Why is the 3rd edition monk an acceptable sub-optimal sniper, but not the 4th edition warlord?&nbsp;A fundamental ability is not the same as an ability which is easy to learn.&nbsp; Remember that 1st level characters in fourth edition are highly trained.&nbsp; Prime shot isn't a matter of a month's worth of tutelage under a master archer, it's the result of five to ten years of firing arrows at a target every day for two hours.Multiclassing doesn't provide five years of archery practice, and most adventuring groups aren't going to put saving the world on hold for five years while Jonny puts in his time at the firing range. I was assuming the arcanist in your example was a member of the character class &quot;arcanist&quot;, which is not in the 3.5 PHB I(which I'm using for reference).&nbsp; If it's just any arcane caster, well, they'll run out of rays and orbs long before an archer will run out of arrows.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="theNater, post: 4404094, member: 62560"] Using sustainable attacks, when the only difference is class, a 3rd edition monk will be 1-5 points behind the ranger in attack bonus, and be making 0-1 fewer attacks. These differences depend on level, and usually get worse for the monk as levels go up. Using at-will powers, when the only difference is class, a 4th edition warlord will be 0-3 points behind the ranger in attack bonus, and will be making 0-1 fewer attacks. These differences do not change with level, and are never both at maximum, as the ranger has to choose between the extra attack and the extra accuracy. Why is the 3rd edition monk an acceptable sub-optimal sniper, but not the 4th edition warlord? A fundamental ability is not the same as an ability which is easy to learn. Remember that 1st level characters in fourth edition are highly trained. Prime shot isn't a matter of a month's worth of tutelage under a master archer, it's the result of five to ten years of firing arrows at a target every day for two hours. Multiclassing doesn't provide five years of archery practice, and most adventuring groups aren't going to put saving the world on hold for five years while Jonny puts in his time at the firing range. I was assuming the arcanist in your example was a member of the character class "arcanist", which is not in the 3.5 PHB I(which I'm using for reference). If it's just any arcane caster, well, they'll run out of rays and orbs long before an archer will run out of arrows. [/QUOTE]

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