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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 5247510" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>Like it or not, this kind of scenario <em>is </em>tired and hack-neyed, <em>is </em>demeaning, and <em>has </em>been mocked so relentlessly by modern media that it no can no longer be taken seriously by the vast majority of the audience. I hate to pick apart a piece of artwork I've never personally seen, but by your simple description the image you describe is just as bad. It's even worse that she's described as a warrior; even though her very profession lends herself to getting in physical altercations, she still for some reason must be protected by a <em>man, </em>and against a fairly mundane threat, no less. Again, like or not, there are clear implications here that are the hallmark of the awful, alpha-male, sexist fantasy that the genre has thankfully (for the most part) grown out of. To return to this style would alienate too many newer players, to appease too few old grognards.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're ignoring the fact that adventuring parties are <em>supposed </em>to be different. It's one of the many things that make them unique. We've all enjoyed those "all-humans" campaigns that we've been in at some time or another in our pasts, but this is <em>very </em>far from the norm. I'd be honestly surprised if, looking back on your own history, you found that most of the adventuring parties you were a part of looked like the kind of artwork you're pining for. I can only speculate, but far more like than not they probably look much closer to the parties shown in WotC's artwork.</p><p></p><p>Real-world race and political correctness really have no bearing at all in this discussion, and I really can't fathom why they're such a sticking point for you. Not every human is going to be the Aryan ideal; people from different parts of every world are going to look somewhat differently, and as I've said, adventuring parties, by and large, are going to be made of characters of different races from different places. Again, this is the norm, and deserves to be highlighted in the artwork.</p><p></p><p>I agree with everything else you're saying, save that weird music tangent that mostly didn't really make any sense in context to the discussion and the part that did only proves my point. No one going to buy a Green Day album if every song on it sounds exactly the same (I guess people still buy John Mayer albums, so there's always that.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 5247510, member: 57112"] Like it or not, this kind of scenario [I]is [/I]tired and hack-neyed, [I]is [/I]demeaning, and [I]has [/I]been mocked so relentlessly by modern media that it no can no longer be taken seriously by the vast majority of the audience. I hate to pick apart a piece of artwork I've never personally seen, but by your simple description the image you describe is just as bad. It's even worse that she's described as a warrior; even though her very profession lends herself to getting in physical altercations, she still for some reason must be protected by a [I]man, [/I]and against a fairly mundane threat, no less. Again, like or not, there are clear implications here that are the hallmark of the awful, alpha-male, sexist fantasy that the genre has thankfully (for the most part) grown out of. To return to this style would alienate too many newer players, to appease too few old grognards. You're ignoring the fact that adventuring parties are [I]supposed [/I]to be different. It's one of the many things that make them unique. We've all enjoyed those "all-humans" campaigns that we've been in at some time or another in our pasts, but this is [I]very [/I]far from the norm. I'd be honestly surprised if, looking back on your own history, you found that most of the adventuring parties you were a part of looked like the kind of artwork you're pining for. I can only speculate, but far more like than not they probably look much closer to the parties shown in WotC's artwork. Real-world race and political correctness really have no bearing at all in this discussion, and I really can't fathom why they're such a sticking point for you. Not every human is going to be the Aryan ideal; people from different parts of every world are going to look somewhat differently, and as I've said, adventuring parties, by and large, are going to be made of characters of different races from different places. Again, this is the norm, and deserves to be highlighted in the artwork. I agree with everything else you're saying, save that weird music tangent that mostly didn't really make any sense in context to the discussion and the part that did only proves my point. No one going to buy a Green Day album if every song on it sounds exactly the same (I guess people still buy John Mayer albums, so there's always that.) [/QUOTE]
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