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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 5248540" data-attributes="member: 40177">Dude, where did you get that from?&nbsp; All I said was, diversity does not ALWAYS have to be the keyword in D&amp;D art.&nbsp; When diversity is shoehorned into something, isn't that more insulting?And I live in a very multicultural city, too.&nbsp; I happen to love multiculturalism, and cosmopolitan cities... so I kind of dislike it when even the smallest village in D&amp;D art is like downtown New York.&nbsp; But that's a side issue altogether.On a side note, I'd be curious to know which city you're talking about - I've lived in most of them.&nbsp; Victoria, here.&nbsp; Agreed.&nbsp; Agreed as well.&nbsp; I'd love to see a ginger in D&amp;D art that isn't a nerd.&nbsp; Now, ask me how many gingers I've played.&nbsp; The answer is less than one.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; I call shenenigans.&nbsp; The last three major motion pictures I've seen in the theatres have all had a &quot;damsel in distress&quot; that has been rescued by the male hero.&nbsp; A large portion of the audience (male and female) enjoy seeing that.&nbsp; Those movies, by the way, have all done pretty well.&nbsp; Audiences didn't seem to mind that much. (they are:&nbsp; [spoiler]Iron Man 2, Robin Hood, and Avatar[/spoiler]).&nbsp; Maybe.&nbsp; You're probably right, in fact.&nbsp; I never saw it that way when I was growing up, and my girlfriend doesn't either.&nbsp; But I can see your point (and you're at a disadvantage here, having never seen the piece... it's from the dungeoneer's survival guide, or maybe the wilderness survival guide, from 1e days).&nbsp; For what it's worth, the thing I liked about it was the fact that it was WOLVES they were afraid of - it had a very sword &amp; sorcery, &quot;Conan&quot; vibe to it.&nbsp; I'm not saying I want super sexist pictures in D&amp;D, either.&nbsp; I have no problem if the man is being protected by the woman.&nbsp; What I want are pictures that are STORIES.&nbsp; I want art that says &quot;these are stories that you can play&quot;, as opposed to the general philosophy of 4e:&nbsp; &quot;These are characters that you can play&quot;.&nbsp; There's a difference in approach, and I prefer the older way.&nbsp; Never been called a grognard before.&nbsp; Kind of weird, being under thirty and all.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; ***More to the point, I find this an interesting argument, but it's derailing the thread.&nbsp; If we want to continue it, does anyone mind if I move it to another place?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wik, post: 5248540, member: 40177"] Dude, where did you get that from? All I said was, diversity does not ALWAYS have to be the keyword in D&D art. When diversity is shoehorned into something, isn't that more insulting? And I live in a very multicultural city, too. I happen to love multiculturalism, and cosmopolitan cities... so I kind of dislike it when even the smallest village in D&D art is like downtown New York. But that's a side issue altogether. On a side note, I'd be curious to know which city you're talking about - I've lived in most of them. Victoria, here. Agreed. Agreed as well. I'd love to see a ginger in D&D art that isn't a nerd. Now, ask me how many gingers I've played. The answer is less than one. :) I call shenenigans. The last three major motion pictures I've seen in the theatres have all had a "damsel in distress" that has been rescued by the male hero. A large portion of the audience (male and female) enjoy seeing that. Those movies, by the way, have all done pretty well. Audiences didn't seem to mind that much. (they are: [spoiler]Iron Man 2, Robin Hood, and Avatar[/spoiler]). Maybe. You're probably right, in fact. I never saw it that way when I was growing up, and my girlfriend doesn't either. But I can see your point (and you're at a disadvantage here, having never seen the piece... it's from the dungeoneer's survival guide, or maybe the wilderness survival guide, from 1e days). For what it's worth, the thing I liked about it was the fact that it was WOLVES they were afraid of - it had a very sword & sorcery, "Conan" vibe to it. I'm not saying I want super sexist pictures in D&D, either. I have no problem if the man is being protected by the woman. What I want are pictures that are STORIES. I want art that says "these are stories that you can play", as opposed to the general philosophy of 4e: "These are characters that you can play". There's a difference in approach, and I prefer the older way. Never been called a grognard before. Kind of weird, being under thirty and all. :) *** More to the point, I find this an interesting argument, but it's derailing the thread. If we want to continue it, does anyone mind if I move it to another place? [/QUOTE]

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