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<blockquote data-quote="Votan" data-source="post: 2181385" data-attributes="member: 18680">If the bard/rogue comment was about creating a rogue with arcane abilities then let me recommend something that looks interesting: the Daggerspell Mage (complete adventurer).&nbsp; The build that I think would work the best is: Rogue 1/Wizard 5/Dagerspell Mage 10 using the able learner feat from Races of Destiny to keep rogue skills up to maximum during the wizard levels.&nbsp; With an 18 INT, the &quot;bad&quot; wizard levels still net 6 skill points per level.&nbsp; If Able Learner isn't an option, the feat &quot;Practiced Spellcaster&quot; (from Complete Divine) could work well.&nbsp; Something like a Rogue 4/Wizard 1/Daggerspell Mage 10 would also do a fine job of it.&nbsp; Adds some arcane spells to enhance the rogue and allows you to use them to improve your strikes.&nbsp; Doesn't sound so great until you realize that it works against critters that sneak attack does not (such as undead).&nbsp; Also synergizes will with the feat &quot;Arcane Strike&quot; from complete warrior for a character who can do amazing damage in a surprise attack (and can use spells to make surprise easy to acheive).&nbsp; It isn't a perfect build and can be criticized on a number of levels but it looks fun.&nbsp; I especially like how Daggerspell Mage has 6 skill points per level and a high INT drives both skills and spells.&nbsp; Needless to say, this is one of the very rare cases where I will argue for a wizard over a sorcerer.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Votan, post: 2181385, member: 18680"] If the bard/rogue comment was about creating a rogue with arcane abilities then let me recommend something that looks interesting: the Daggerspell Mage (complete adventurer). The build that I think would work the best is: Rogue 1/Wizard 5/Dagerspell Mage 10 using the able learner feat from Races of Destiny to keep rogue skills up to maximum during the wizard levels. With an 18 INT, the "bad" wizard levels still net 6 skill points per level. If Able Learner isn't an option, the feat "Practiced Spellcaster" (from Complete Divine) could work well. Something like a Rogue 4/Wizard 1/Daggerspell Mage 10 would also do a fine job of it. Adds some arcane spells to enhance the rogue and allows you to use them to improve your strikes. Doesn't sound so great until you realize that it works against critters that sneak attack does not (such as undead). Also synergizes will with the feat "Arcane Strike" from complete warrior for a character who can do amazing damage in a surprise attack (and can use spells to make surprise easy to acheive). It isn't a perfect build and can be criticized on a number of levels but it looks fun. I especially like how Daggerspell Mage has 6 skill points per level and a high INT drives both skills and spells. Needless to say, this is one of the very rare cases where I will argue for a wizard over a sorcerer. :) [/QUOTE]

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