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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 6804646" data-attributes="member: 59848">Yes, the Battlemaster does rely on superiority dice and many of his abilities will add the number depending on the dice rolled. However, the Battlemaster will always add at least a +1 to whatever maneuver they may be using (often to either the attack roll or damage roll, but sometimes to their AC). But in addition to this bonus, most maneuvers also provide an additional effect. This might include making an additional attack, disarming the opponent, providing temp HP... the list goes on. Not all of these effects even rely on or require the superiority dice to be rolled. Additionally, yes, I grant you that some of these abilities rely the battlemaster to first successfully strike the opponent (not all maneuvers, but some). However, it is much more likely that a battlemaster will hit an opponent (by a lot) than for a champion to score a critical hit.I do not argue that the battlemaster does not have an element of chance in the usage of his maneuvers. However, the battlemaster does not solely rely on chance to activate his abilities, and his abilities have a greater chance of being meaningful or coming into play when they are used. The battlemaster has far greater agency in his abilities. Yes, some abilities require you to hit (more likely to happen than crit). Some abilities allow a saving throw (once again, more likely that an opponent fails than a champion crits). The champion's abilities, however, are completely based off of chance. And this doesn't even bring into consideration how the Eldritch Knight's abilities compare in terms of strategic employment and ability to use them based on agency over statistic variance.Basically, a battlemaster and eldritch knight can at least try to do cool things, and even when they don't work there is often something different that happens or is added to the combat. The Champion may not ever notice his abilities because of how strongly tied they are to a single statistical</blockquote>

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