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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6805602" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>That'd be a case-by-case DM ruling, just like whether you roll or not, and vs what DC. </p><p></p><p>And whether the DM fudges. ;P A bonus that maps to half that of proficiency, to a set of rolls that includes more than Athletics, hardly seems like it should be called 'Remarkable' or 'Athlete.' In some ways the name could be the biggest thing wrong with it. </p><p></p><p>A chance to fail at a narratively trivial task that only serves to move the action along?</p><p></p><p>They suck less, yes, but he's still in the marginal "I'm helping outside my specialty" (thanks to bounded accuracy) category, rather than the "It's my time to shine, watch how the Expert does it" set. Now for the odd task where, for some reason, proficiency never applies, RA delivers. Whether that ever comes up depends on the DM's judgement. Per the rules, though, for the little they're worth, it seems like it'll mostly be initiative. Bounded Accuracy makes a stacking bonus of even +1 pure gold. Non-stacking bonuses, not so much. If RA stacked with proficiency, it'd be pretty nice, though the 'best' at a given task would still be the guy with Expertise & high stat, rather than RA+Proficiency & high stat.</p><p></p><p>Not every class is any good is not so fine.</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't want to keep track of 2 CS dice in an excel spreadsheet, either. Setting a couple of actual dice in front of you works better, for instance.</p><p></p><p>The idea that the Champion is the 'simple fighter,' and the Battlemaster the 'complex fighter,' works only so long as you look at them next to eachother in isolation. The moment you look at any other class, or the EK, you realize that they're both pretty darn simple.</p><p></p><p>Except, at this point, anyone who wants to play a more interesting, customizable, and/or flexible/versatile fighter or other martial archetype that isn't so heavily devoted to grinding out DPR, or....</p><p></p><p>Or who might want to play freak'n Harry Potter without diving into the most complex class in the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6805602, member: 996"] That'd be a case-by-case DM ruling, just like whether you roll or not, and vs what DC. And whether the DM fudges. ;P A bonus that maps to half that of proficiency, to a set of rolls that includes more than Athletics, hardly seems like it should be called 'Remarkable' or 'Athlete.' In some ways the name could be the biggest thing wrong with it. A chance to fail at a narratively trivial task that only serves to move the action along? They suck less, yes, but he's still in the marginal "I'm helping outside my specialty" (thanks to bounded accuracy) category, rather than the "It's my time to shine, watch how the Expert does it" set. Now for the odd task where, for some reason, proficiency never applies, RA delivers. Whether that ever comes up depends on the DM's judgement. Per the rules, though, for the little they're worth, it seems like it'll mostly be initiative. Bounded Accuracy makes a stacking bonus of even +1 pure gold. Non-stacking bonuses, not so much. If RA stacked with proficiency, it'd be pretty nice, though the 'best' at a given task would still be the guy with Expertise & high stat, rather than RA+Proficiency & high stat. Not every class is any good is not so fine. I wouldn't want to keep track of 2 CS dice in an excel spreadsheet, either. Setting a couple of actual dice in front of you works better, for instance. The idea that the Champion is the 'simple fighter,' and the Battlemaster the 'complex fighter,' works only so long as you look at them next to eachother in isolation. The moment you look at any other class, or the EK, you realize that they're both pretty darn simple. Except, at this point, anyone who wants to play a more interesting, customizable, and/or flexible/versatile fighter or other martial archetype that isn't so heavily devoted to grinding out DPR, or.... Or who might want to play freak'n Harry Potter without diving into the most complex class in the game. [/QUOTE]
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