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<blockquote data-quote="Waterbizkit" data-source="post: 6806436" data-attributes="member: 6802604">First I'll say that I'm in the crowd that feels the Champion is fine as is, but this is just my experience and also not necessarily in the &quot;spirit&quot; of the thread so I won't belabor the point. In so far as your proposed changes go, I feel like you need to ease into them and not alter too much out of the gate (as the poster above me, at the time I write this, mentioned).The expanded critical range is the one I'm most skeptical of, but that's because I'm taking Advantage into account. I'm sure why you've had such a problem generating it in your games, but my players have been able to readily gain Advantage since level 1. Party composition may play some role in that, but even so I simply feel it's easy enough to get that over-expanding the critical range can be too much too fast. If you absolutely feel you have to tinker with it I'd go no further than 17-20 as a maximum, as also already mentioned.As far as Remarkable Athlete goes, I could go so far as allowing it to offer full proficiency in all physical skills not already proficient in. But anything above that, like some people who I believe mentioned expertise, I wouldn't go for.The rest? Not sure I'd tinker with it. I think the second fighting style is fine as is. But then again, I think it's all fine as is. Anyway, like I said to start: ease into any tinkering you do. Small changes are easy to track. Change a lot at once, and if you tip too far in the other direction, it becomes difficult to tell where you need to scale back. So even though I don't agree with your premise at all based on how I've seen Champions perform in my games I'll give you the best of luck tinkering with stuff at your table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Waterbizkit, post: 6806436, member: 6802604"] First I'll say that I'm in the crowd that feels the Champion is fine as is, but this is just my experience and also not necessarily in the "spirit" of the thread so I won't belabor the point. In so far as your proposed changes go, I feel like you need to ease into them and not alter too much out of the gate (as the poster above me, at the time I write this, mentioned). The expanded critical range is the one I'm most skeptical of, but that's because I'm taking Advantage into account. I'm sure why you've had such a problem generating it in your games, but my players have been able to readily gain Advantage since level 1. Party composition may play some role in that, but even so I simply feel it's easy enough to get that over-expanding the critical range can be too much too fast. If you absolutely feel you have to tinker with it I'd go no further than 17-20 as a maximum, as also already mentioned. As far as Remarkable Athlete goes, I could go so far as allowing it to offer full proficiency in all physical skills not already proficient in. But anything above that, like some people who I believe mentioned expertise, I wouldn't go for. The rest? Not sure I'd tinker with it. I think the second fighting style is fine as is. But then again, I think it's all fine as is. Anyway, like I said to start: ease into any tinkering you do. Small changes are easy to track. Change a lot at once, and if you tip too far in the other direction, it becomes difficult to tell where you need to scale back. So even though I don't agree with your premise at all based on how I've seen Champions perform in my games I'll give you the best of luck tinkering with stuff at your table. [/QUOTE]

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