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<blockquote data-quote="krakistophales" data-source="post: 6806509" data-attributes="member: 6775149">I've played a champion to level 8, and a battlemaster to level 12, and another champion to level 4, and thus have experience enough to speak intelligently on the &quot;practical&quot; applications of theorycrafting, as well as the &quot;typical&quot; play session involving these archetypes.To me it seems there are two ways to approach this subject: Either expand the crit range so that the champ actually gets to crit an appreciable amount more than any other archetype, or just give him static attack bonuses, like adding proficiency to damage, and then giving him something else (like a deadly critical where, on a nat 20, he triples the dice, or doubles the static damage, or both) and call it a day. Remarkable athlete seems to be established in this thread as needing full proficiency, and the regeneration seems like it's fine the way it is, which is cool with me. The last point of contention is the fighting style, whether to offer a static bonus to AC/ATK/DMG or just leave it as is. My argument is that it should be the static bonus, since most people will end up just taking the +1 AC anyway.And I'm sorry, but allowing an archetype to do an average of 6 more damage 10% more often is anything but OP. The goddamn barbarian can roll advantage on all attacks, which effectively doubles his crit chance, and can deal a max of 6d12 on a crit, but no one is crying that the barbarian needs nerfing. Why can't we have a fighter archetype that is simple but deadly like 4e's slayer?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="krakistophales, post: 6806509, member: 6775149"] I've played a champion to level 8, and a battlemaster to level 12, and another champion to level 4, and thus have experience enough to speak intelligently on the "practical" applications of theorycrafting, as well as the "typical" play session involving these archetypes. To me it seems there are two ways to approach this subject: Either expand the crit range so that the champ actually gets to crit an appreciable amount more than any other archetype, or just give him static attack bonuses, like adding proficiency to damage, and then giving him something else (like a deadly critical where, on a nat 20, he triples the dice, or doubles the static damage, or both) and call it a day. Remarkable athlete seems to be established in this thread as needing full proficiency, and the regeneration seems like it's fine the way it is, which is cool with me. The last point of contention is the fighting style, whether to offer a static bonus to AC/ATK/DMG or just leave it as is. My argument is that it should be the static bonus, since most people will end up just taking the +1 AC anyway. And I'm sorry, but allowing an archetype to do an average of 6 more damage 10% more often is anything but OP. The goddamn barbarian can roll advantage on all attacks, which effectively doubles his crit chance, and can deal a max of 6d12 on a crit, but no one is crying that the barbarian needs nerfing. Why can't we have a fighter archetype that is simple but deadly like 4e's slayer? [/QUOTE]

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