Flags in signatures/avatars
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Chacal
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Thanks. I had read the above posts. (Edited for clarity : the "covering my ears" part was refering to those options)
I was just sharing my point of view.
Chacal
P.S: I still like the way things are handled in these boards, the flag issue being the exception. I really thank the moderators and most of the users for that.
I was just sharing my point of view.
Chacal
P.S: I still like the way things are handled in these boards, the flag issue being the exception. I really thank the moderators and most of the users for that.
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Tiefling
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Re: Re: Re: Flags in signatures/avatars
There is that, but it's mostly for the sake of being different
. I've seen so many American flags lately (well, less so now that the shock of the Late Unpleasantness doesn't weigh so heavily on peoples minds) that they start to lose meaning, and often it seems as if people are just jumping on the patriotism/nationalism/jingoism bandwagon.
Sure, in the same way that little American flags are disrespectful to Iraqi military personnel or their families. Swings both ways and all that.
I have to agree, though, that the decision to allow flags seems inconsistent with the general policy here to err on the side of caution (said policy evidenced by the closing of the "World Leaders Play D20" thread). Not that I'm complaining about either policy or didn't notice the flags before, it just seems kind of strange.
But if this is the will of ENWorld, then Tiefling will see it done.
Ravellion said:You see, flags mean something different to everyone
It was probably someone who hoped the Iraqi people were mostly spared the horrors of war. But you never can tell now can you?
Rav
There is that, but it's mostly for the sake of being different
. I've seen so many American flags lately (well, less so now that the shock of the Late Unpleasantness doesn't weigh so heavily on peoples minds) that they start to lose meaning, and often it seems as if people are just jumping on the patriotism/nationalism/jingoism bandwagon.Krizzel said:
Sure, in the same way that little American flags are disrespectful to Iraqi military personnel or their families. Swings both ways and all that.
I have to agree, though, that the decision to allow flags seems inconsistent with the general policy here to err on the side of caution (said policy evidenced by the closing of the "World Leaders Play D20" thread). Not that I'm complaining about either policy or didn't notice the flags before, it just seems kind of strange.
But if this is the will of ENWorld, then Tiefling will see it done.
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Chacal said:
Is it really enough of a detraction to be noticible? Have you seen flamewars? How many instances of clear detraction can we cite, outside of this thread?
If there is detraction, it is "below the radar". Policing on the basis of trying to stop effects we cannot clearly see is perhaps a bad idea.
Matters of overall policy should perhaps be based more upon evidence than humble opinions. We are a community of bascially mature people, who are generally quite capable of speaking for themselves. If said minorities wish, they can tell the mods directly. If/when such complaints show a significant effect, then I'd expect the mods to change the policy, and not before.
Probably true, at least in part. But, your argument against the flags is much the same - avoid offending minorities who might feel pressured or oppressed. Either way, it's a matter of trying to satisfy people's sensibilities. The rules have always been a balancing act - balancing the offense of some at being restricted against the offense others take at certain statements. More a matter of practicality than idealism.
So, until it is shown that some pretty hefty offense is being caused by the flags, it does not behoove the mods to restrict them. So far as we can see, they are likely to get more, and louder, and more disruptive offense from resticting them than their presence causes.
Simply put - It may be nicely idealistic to restict the flags, but it will serve nobody if doing so starts flames.
jdavis
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If you can't bring yourself to ignore them then you are letting them get the best of you. I post no differently because of a flag in the sig because quite frankly I don't care what your political views are, they mean nothing to me, and if I did care, well then I am in the wrong place. I came here to talk about D&D related subjects and I really don't care about your country of origin or your political views I care about your opinion on D&D related topics. Yes people get emotional about their politics, that's why it isn't allowed and when somebody does post something political you are supposed to ignore it.
This is a international community you are going to run into people who have other ideologies, resist the urge to talk about non D&D or D20 topics and there will be no problems. If KIM Chong-il wants to post his favorite humorous D20 module titles or discuss why the Harm spell needs to be nerfed then why should anybody worry about his political ideaology?
This is a international community you are going to run into people who have other ideologies, resist the urge to talk about non D&D or D20 topics and there will be no problems. If KIM Chong-il wants to post his favorite humorous D20 module titles or discuss why the Harm spell needs to be nerfed then why should anybody worry about his political ideaology?
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HellHound
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Uhmm...
why is a flag NECESSARILY a political statement, as many here claim?
Many people I know wear flags as a visible marker of where they are from, not as a statement that they necessarily support said nation's politics.
I even met an exiled criminal in another country who still has his national flag on his bag, to indicate where he is from. Some of us just want to tell people where we ARE, not always what we believe.
--Hound
(who is considering flying a swastika for a while, just to get the chance to teach people about the origins of said emblem)
why is a flag NECESSARILY a political statement, as many here claim?
Many people I know wear flags as a visible marker of where they are from, not as a statement that they necessarily support said nation's politics.
I even met an exiled criminal in another country who still has his national flag on his bag, to indicate where he is from. Some of us just want to tell people where we ARE, not always what we believe.
--Hound
(who is considering flying a swastika for a while, just to get the chance to teach people about the origins of said emblem)
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Well, as I myself know the sad history of an otherwise well-respected symbol that got tainted by a madman, I would say the Swastika is a good representation of the core issue. Even though it in itself doesn't represent anything evil, it has had an unfortunate history which has made it tainted. Would a Jew appreciate the fact that the Swastika has always been a symbol for good things?
Another example. If someone posts a message, bearing the american flag in his sig, is replied to by someone bearing the Iraqi flag, would that not offend the one bearing the american flag in some way? If I had a sig that showed the Iraqi flag in a stylized version, like that of the american flag and the Eagle, would that offend (since there is a certain feel of victory over the Eagle)?
Heck, some people around here feel insulted by the American Flag by itself (not me though, but some other Danish people get pretty upset). I know from some of the Arab immigrants, that they have some aversion against the American Flag.
What about someone who is Palestinian (dont even know if there are any here)?. If you say that you are only allowed to show National, unstylized flags, then that would prohibit them from bearing the Palestinian flag. Yet, the general feeling amongst Palestinians is that their nation is as legitimite as the Israelian one, so if someone was allowed to show an Israelian flag, it would offend the Palestinian who was not allowed to show his flag. The same can be said for a number of minorities who are fighting a struggle for independence.
I myself care not the slightest bit about Flags, I will never personally press the "report" button, I have more useful ways of spending my time (like writing long, ranting posts like this ).
Anyways, my two cents
Another example. If someone posts a message, bearing the american flag in his sig, is replied to by someone bearing the Iraqi flag, would that not offend the one bearing the american flag in some way? If I had a sig that showed the Iraqi flag in a stylized version, like that of the american flag and the Eagle, would that offend (since there is a certain feel of victory over the Eagle)?
Heck, some people around here feel insulted by the American Flag by itself (not me though, but some other Danish people get pretty upset). I know from some of the Arab immigrants, that they have some aversion against the American Flag.
What about someone who is Palestinian (dont even know if there are any here)?. If you say that you are only allowed to show National, unstylized flags, then that would prohibit them from bearing the Palestinian flag. Yet, the general feeling amongst Palestinians is that their nation is as legitimite as the Israelian one, so if someone was allowed to show an Israelian flag, it would offend the Palestinian who was not allowed to show his flag. The same can be said for a number of minorities who are fighting a struggle for independence.
I myself care not the slightest bit about Flags, I will never personally press the "report" button, I have more useful ways of spending my time (like writing long, ranting posts like this
). Anyways, my two cents
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