TYPO5478 said:
None of the spells we've mentioned so far (flaming sphere, explosive runes, call lightning, wall of iron) actually target creatures. That's the whole point of this debate. If you're going to include spells that don't target creatures, why not just say that casting any spell breaks invisibility?
I'd like to include any spell whose area or effect includes a foe as well, since a/ spells that have Area or Effect entries don't Target anyone, and b/ the invisibility description specifically states that those spells count as attacks.
So no, I absolutely insist that we must include spells that don't target creatures... as long as they fit the definition of 'attack'.
This interpretation still allows for the ability of the foe to negate the caster's invisibility through their own actions... like walking into the stinking cloud, or jumping through a wall of fire, or stepping into the path of a flaming sphere. Should the caster's already fragile invisibility be subject to such actions that are completely out of his control?
Let's say I cast Fireball, with a point of origin over there somewhere, such that there is an orc within the radius of the blast. Does that end Invisibility?
Let's say I cast Delayed Blast Fireball, with a 2 round delay, with the point of origin over there somewhere, such that there is an orc within the radius of the blast. The orc doesn't move for two rounds, and is within the Fireball when it bursts. Does that end Invisibility?
Let's say I cast Delayed Blast Fireball, with a 2 round delay, with the point of origin over there somewhere, such that there is nobody within the radius of the blast. But during those two rounds, an orc moves into that area, and is within the Fireball when it bursts. Does that end Invisibility?
Let's say I cast Spike Stones - an Area spell - such that the area includes an orc. Does that end Invisibility?
Let's say I cast Spike Stones such that there is nobody in the area. An orc moves so that the area includes a foe, takes damage, and resists the spell with a saving throw. Does that end Invisibility?
-Hyp.