Flanking with... yourself?

[abyssaldeath]

This goes into RAI/house rule ground, but I had already thought of this situation, and I ruled that the "bonus" square MUST always be adjacent to you, not just when you place it, so that if you shift via any means it "follows" you.

That makes that item useless or at least pointless.

 

[Kordeth]

That makes that item useless or at least pointless.

Not really, as it still allows three characters to benefit from flanking at once.

 

[mischa84]

@Danzauker: I a wizard cast something like "that area counts as difficult terrain it won't move with him either, so I would say the adjacent is just for the range of the power

@CubeKnight: as written one has to be able to attack, but in the case that you answered to the wizard has to use a standard action to attack with the conjuration
so he acn either attack from his position or from the position of his conjuration but not from the same in the same round without using an action point or not?

 

[BobTheNob]

Last night we tried to find a rules passage, and for the life of us, we just couldn't find it. This is something that we could all swear that we've seen, somewhere in the rulebook, but when we tried to pin it down, it was nowhere to be found.

Can you flank with yourself? If you start on one side of a monster, and then either move or shift around to the other side of the monster (either taking the opportunity attacks, or avoiding them somehow), effectively set up flanking for yourself?

Is this in the 4E books, or are we remembering this rule from a previous version or alternate ruleset?

Nothing I love better than taking the opportunity for a good Flank when Im all aone

 

[Diirk]

This goes into RAI/house rule ground, but I had already thought of this situation, and I ruled that the "bonus" square MUST always be adjacent to you, not just when you place it, so that if you shift via any means it "follows" you.

Which in itself goes into houserule ground, because the item says nothing of the sort. You choose a square, then for the duration of the power the square does stuff. There's nothing in the item power to suggest that the square can change for any reason. If a wizard casts a cloud of daggers, then moves, does the cloud follow him? no? Same thing.

 

[Danzauker]

Which in itself goes into houserule ground, because the item says nothing of the sort. You choose a square, then for the duration of the power the square does stuff. There's nothing in the item power to suggest that the square can change for any reason. If a wizard casts a cloud of daggers, then moves, does the cloud follow him? no? Same thing.

That's why I explicitly stated that it was how I houseruled, based on what I think was the RAI.

I genuinely think that what the power was meant to do was "enlarging" one's "area of flanking" to one square adjiacent to him, in order to facilitate flanking WITH OTHER CHARACTERS, not to make him FLANK WITH HIMSELF.

The RAW undoubtedly allows the various triks people are suggesting, and until an errata comes out they are still valid playing by raw.