Flesh to Stone a plant creature?

[VonRichthofen]

It does not consist of flesh.
It is further completely immune to polymorphing spells - a somewhat related topic flavor-wise, as far as I can see.

The two put together: No way does it work.

 

[Nifft]

Right, just as flesh to stone would work on a zombie or wight, but would fail on a skeleton or shadow.

Cheers, -- N

 

[the Jester]

Right, just as flesh to stone would work on a zombie or wight, but would fail on a skeleton or shadow.

Cheers, -- N

Hmm, actually as flesh to stone allows a Fort save, I'd say that's arguable. It can't be cast on objects, but it works on the objects carried by a creature... and undead are specifically immune to any effect that allows a Fort save unless it also specifically works on objects. Sooo... I'd say that is arguable on those grounds.

 

[PallidPatience]

I'd say it's not. Undead specifically are immune to all effects requiring Fort saves unless they may be cast on objects or are harmless. In this way, undead are really less like "creatures", and more like animated objects (or that's how it feels to me). Because of this, they are not susceptible to flesh to stone, because it can neither target objects nor is harmless.

As for whether or not this works on plants, the statement could be up to interpretation, but since the last ine of the spell's effect specifically states that it only affects creatures made of flesh, it could be easily interpreted that Plant type creatures cannot be affected by it. It really should be errataed to state something more along the lines of "this spell affects all creatures except Plants and others which are otherwise immune" if it is not intended to work on them. Of course, it seems to be a common sense type ruling, which means that if a spellcaster in your game is interested in it, you let him know which way you're ruling. After all, plant matter could, it seems, be considered flesh.

 

[Legildur]

Of course, it seems to be a common sense type ruling, which means that if a spellcaster in your game is interested in it, you let him know which way you're ruling.

In this situation, it was the DM's Lich who was casting it against a Shambling Mound (wildshaped druid).

 

[green slime]

In this situation, it was the DM's Lich who was casting it against a Shambling Mound (wildshaped druid).

And if, by the DM call flesh to stone doesn't work on plants, then wouldn't a Lich already know this fact as well?

 

[Legildur]

And if, by the DM call flesh to stone doesn't work on plants, then wouldn't a Lich already know this fact as well?

I think the DM was looking at making it work for a limited duration, simply because none of us had a firm answer at the time. It suited him as it took the druid out of the picture, which had been the only character to hurt the Lich at that time (thanks to a reasonably well position Prismatic Wall as the Lich's primary defense). We prevailed in the end, so I'm not bitter about it, just wanted to get an authoritive answer for our collective education.

 

[Legildur]

It does not consist of flesh.
It is further completely immune to polymorphing spells - a somewhat related topic flavor-wise, as far as I can see.

The two put together: No way does it work.

Those were my thoughts as well, and why I raised the question. But the group kept thinking about the 'fleshy part of the plant' analogy.

 

[phindar]

It puts me in the minority, but I'd be inclined to allow it. That's really here nor there, because I think the opposite ruling has merit. The more important issue I think is the GM's consistency in the matter. If his Lich's FtS works on the pc's Mound (why does that sound so dirty?), but later the pc's can't StF the GM's plants, then you have in the classic words of Strother Martin, a failure to communicate.

At the very least, someone could make a StF variant that was Plant to Stone.

I'm more worried about this line:

Plant Type
This type comprises vegetable creatures. Note that regular plants, such as one finds growing in gardens and fields, lack Wisdom and Charisma scores (see Nonabilities) and are not creatures, but objects, even though they are alive.

Am I to infer my houseplants have Int scores? (And does this justify why I have always believed them to be plotting against me?)

 

[mmu1]

I'd let it work, if for no other reason than to make magic as consistent as possible. Then again, I also see no logical reason why plants ought to be immune to Polymorph effects, but that's strictly a house rule on my part...