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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1170758" data-attributes="member: 1656">Only if he moves.He can sit on his horse and full attack as much as he likes, or he can charge for one mega-hit (plus Cleave, Expert Tactician, and whatever other bonuses he qualifies for that aren't charges).There are always trade-offs to be made.But just as when he drops the dwarf with his Charge and Cleaves into the ogre, he gets a +1 "higher ground" bonus against the dwarf but not against the ogre, since the ogre is the same size category as his mount - the bonus is no longer applicable - I maintain that he does not receive the +2 Charge bonus (or Charge-related effects) against the ogre, since he is no longer Charging.In the case of Cleave, I don't consider that to be a house rule.In the case of Pounce, I'd only allow the Charge bonus (etc) on the first attack.  If that's a house rule, I'm fine with that.  I'm not going to claim that one's rules-as-written.The way the Lion's Charge spell is worded - "When the subject charges, he can make a full attack in the same round" - the bonuses would apply to the charge attack, but not to the full attack.  Lion's Charge differs from Pounce in that with a Pounce, you make a full attack as part of a charge, where with Lion's Charge, as written, you're effectively getting two full-round actions: a charge, followed by a full attack action.  (I'm not sure that's what they intended, but it's what they wrote.)'course, that makes the Wildshaped Tiger-druid with Lion's Charge very nasty, since when he charges (which lets him use Pounce for bite/claw/claw/rake/rake), he can make a full attack in the same round (bite/claw/claw).So, to summarise once more - I admit, I'm 'nerfing' Pounce with a house-rule.  I won't admit the same about Cleave - the Clevae is an extra attack, not part of the Charge.-Hyp.</blockquote>

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