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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 1175671" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>I missed this earlier:</p><p></p><p>1. Cleave does NOT say you get the same damage bonus, only attack bonus, so Spirited Charge + Cleave is not much of a power combination, really. It could prove beneficial in the right circumstances, though, but I don't think anyone here is arguing that extra charge damage should still apply. Certainly the Cleave feat's language does not state that.</p><p></p><p>2. I'd imagine few Spirited Charging warriors would also have Cleave anyway. I mounted warrior will likely have, at a minimum:</p><p></p><p>Mounted Combat</p><p>Ride-By Attack</p><p>Spirited Charge</p><p>(Mounted Archery and Trample would be nice, too)</p><p></p><p>There might be a supplement with another mounted feat or two as well.</p><p></p><p>No add in </p><p>Power Attack and</p><p>Cleave</p><p></p><p>That's quite a few feats. Not many fighters would do this because normal mounts are simply not survivable in combat with mythical creatures, and characters with unusual mounts don't have feats to spare to take Cleave.</p><p></p><p>This won't come up often in <em>most</em> games.</p><p></p><p>3. You only avoid the movement-generated AoO from the "victim" of your charge - so most often you will charge a defendant who stands alone, if at all possible. Thus no Cleave.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 1175671, member: 111"] I missed this earlier: 1. Cleave does NOT say you get the same damage bonus, only attack bonus, so Spirited Charge + Cleave is not much of a power combination, really. It could prove beneficial in the right circumstances, though, but I don't think anyone here is arguing that extra charge damage should still apply. Certainly the Cleave feat's language does not state that. 2. I'd imagine few Spirited Charging warriors would also have Cleave anyway. I mounted warrior will likely have, at a minimum: Mounted Combat Ride-By Attack Spirited Charge (Mounted Archery and Trample would be nice, too) There might be a supplement with another mounted feat or two as well. No add in Power Attack and Cleave That's quite a few feats. Not many fighters would do this because normal mounts are simply not survivable in combat with mythical creatures, and characters with unusual mounts don't have feats to spare to take Cleave. This won't come up often in [i]most[/i] games. 3. You only avoid the movement-generated AoO from the "victim" of your charge - so most often you will charge a defendant who stands alone, if at all possible. Thus no Cleave. [/QUOTE]
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