Flying vehicles

Mankind in our own world have been in flight for more then a 100 years. Gliders and hot air balloons have been around for a long time. Balloons were used durring the civil war (one of the first "modern" wars, with subs, iron clad ships, a few early machine guns, rail guns, etc).

Powered flight in winged crafts happened in 1903, but people had been trying for a long time. Both water and land based aircraft (landing on water or land) were around shortly there after but they had no real function untill durring WW1. At first aircrafts were used mostly for scouting and finding targets. it's said that pilot would wave and salute each other as they flew by to go scout each other's lines. That didn't last long. You don't wave to the guy that's helping the enemy target your countrymen. The pilot started bringing up guns to shoot at each other and grenades to drop over the side. In a matter of years the planes went from being thing wood, string, and cloth to larger planes that look more like what we think of as a modern aircraft design (Kitty Hawk to the red barron). They got guns, large bombs, etc. They got faster, larger, etc.

Thus it was only after WW1 that we got aircrafts able to carry small groups of people or fairly large cargo. I, personaly, think the time span and technology around before WW2 is some of hte more interesting stuff around. Example: it was only in the time right before WW2 (1930s) that the use had flying aircraft carriers. That's right. We had a pair of blimps with internal aircraft hangers. Planes could be luanched and then brought back into through a trapese crane. Cool stuff.

Durring World War 2, especialy near the end, things got really interesting too. Flying wing designs, jet planes, etc. In Korea we got the first decent helicopters, and jets became a major part of Vietnam (although the tactics of that war are a bit odd. we couldn't shoot or bomb anti-aircraft missle sites unless they were operational, and in order to do it we'd have to send crazy pilots flying right at anti-aircraft missle sites!) Anyway, after that aircrafts become closer to what we know now. Jet fighters able to beat the speed of sound, bombers able to travel vast distances, rockets to luanch into space... etc.

Of course there are other things to work with. There are MIT students working on an ornithopter. A flying craft powered by flapping wings. Yes, flapping wings. They were a common concept in sci-fi like the Dune books.
 

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powersource: A techno-magic device that captures lightening and stores it in the form of electicity which is then used to power propellers in large zepplins. Zepplins themselves, massive airships for both military and commercial purposes would probably rule the sky given the requirements/restrictions you are working with.

Propulsion: Electirc screw-basically the lightening storing battery is used to drive various propellors, in the same way a submarine uses an electric crew.

Materials: stiff fabric and lightweight metal frame would work I think. In poorer places a wood frame but that would necessarily limit the size of the blimp. Perhaps a naturally occuring super hard tree which then becomes a vital economic quantity, even for metal rich countries. A decision about gas for the zepplin helium vs hydrogen. Or a magical solution whereby a special gas is created via spell/technological method and is used to fill the bags.

If Steam tech is your desire then a straight piston driven prop driven by a steam engine would work but the weight requirements are massive. I think real world zepplins used internal combustion engines to drive their props.

As far as a system to actually use them I think Airships might be a good place to start. Otherwise I might modify the standard flying rules, or even better find an old copy of Dawn Patrol though those rules are very tactical.

Thullgrim
 


Are there any alteranates out there, beside the typical propellers, flapping wings heliluim? No Magic-tech, remember, this is a low magic world.
 

This is what I came came up up with:

Ion engine/Ion Winds
Static Electricity
Antigravity
Elctromagnetic


But most to all of these needs need metal and I my world islow metal. These still were inventions of the 1930's to 1940's. It's the means generating these things is the problem.
 

tecnowraith said:
Are there any alteranates out there, beside the typical propellers, flapping wings heliluim? No Magic-tech, remember, this is a low magic world.

So you want low-tech, low-magic, flight.

Mmmmm.

Seriously, this is one of those "here are three characteristics, you can have two" kinda deals. If you want low-tech and low-magic, you're pretty much left with hot air balloons. Or really big birds. Are there really big birds?
 


take a look at some of Davinci's Sketches. As I recall he sketched out designs for one or two flying machines constructed from materials available at the time. Primarily wood and rope. I think one was a glider of some sort and another was a helicopter. These were all one man craft though not multi-person vehicles.

Ion winds could drive sails...on hulls made of wood I suppose, a wood which when treated alchemicaly repels itself from the earth (antigravity) giving lift.
don't think sailing ships if that doesn't seem right, think long cylinders or subamarine shapes with sales extending out from the sides (mounter horizontal along the hull) but hung verticall to catch the Ion Winds as they sail. Like a box kite I think...

Perhaps a mineral when ground and mixed with several other minerals, a substance which can be liquified and spread across a hull causing it to repel itself upwards, ballast will be an issue though.
 

I truly thought about using ion winds for more of a lift. The alchemical idea is an idea and I can see this being mixed in with ceramics.

I would like to have one man craft dogfights but not with propellers or standard fuel engines.
 

glider fights. The principles behind one man glider could quite easil fit into the period and tech levels you desire. Ceramic/wood framed silk wings, hang-gliders. Launched from airborne glider carriers.
 

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