Following up on Ghosts

[kayn99]

1) Now I maybe reading too much into this, but when reading about incorporeal ness a ghost is subject to the same 50% miss chance to hit a corporeal creature As the corporeal creature has to hit the ghost. I understand all of that and it makes great sense. The question I have is what happens to the ghost drain touch and corrupting touch attacks? Are they subject to the 50% miss chance? Would it also be true for the shadow and such?

2) Now place a ghost touch gauntlet on the ghost. Does this allow the ghost to make all of its attacks with out the miss chance? Would the ghost also have to contend with armor to get the attack as normal to do damage. Would the ghost just need to touch the person to get the effect off if the ghost did not care about the damage?

3) lastly it says that a ghost firing a missle weapon, the arrow becomes corporeal when it leaves the bow. How does a ghost get more arrows? Do they have to find them on the etheral plane?



I like to do all my home work before introducing villians......



Thanks you

Kayn

 

[Infiniti2000]

1) Now I maybe reading too much into this, but when reading about incorporeal ness a ghost is subject to the same 50% miss chance to hit a corporeal creature As the corporeal creature has to hit the ghost. I understand all of that and it makes great sense.

The ghost would still need a magical weapon, though. Note that the ghost has this 50% miss chance only with ghostly equipment.

The question I have is what happens to the ghost drain touch and corrupting touch attacks? Are they subject to the 50% miss chance? Would it also be true for the shadow and such?

They are not subject to the miss chance because they are not ghostly equipment. There's nothing about being incorporeal that causes a 50% miss chance by the incorporeal creature.

2) Now place a ghost touch gauntlet on the ghost. Does this allow the ghost to make all of its attacks with out the miss chance? Would the ghost also have to contend with armor to get the attack as normal to do damage. Would the ghost just need to touch the person to get the effect off if the ghost did not care about the damage?

The gauntlet neither helps nor hinders unless the ghost wants to make an unarmed attack. When making a touch attack, you never have to worry about armor. The interesting thing is what happens with [Force] armor like mage armor while the ghost wears such a gauntlet. Normally, the ghost has to contend with the mage armor, but with the gauntlet maybe not.

3) lastly it says that a ghost firing a missle weapon, the arrow becomes corporeal when it leaves the bow. How does a ghost get more arrows? Do they have to find them on the etheral plane?

It says this? The ghost's equipment is ethereal, so missile weapons would stay ethereal. I do not remember this rule.

 

[kayn99]

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Originally Posted by kayn99
3) lastly it says that a ghost firing a missle weapon, the arrow becomes corporeal when it leaves the bow. How does a ghost get more arrows? Do they have to find them on the etheral plane?

It says this? The ghost's equipment is ethereal, so missile weapons would stay ethereal. I do not remember this rule.


Most of this stuff is from libris Mortis book about page 142 under incorporeal stuff. It really goes in dept about it but maybe too indebt, thus all my questions. It states that an arrow would become corporeal when it leaves the ghost.


Kayn

 

[Infiniti2000]

Well, any equipment that the ghost has is duplicated in the ethereal plane. The original equipment exists on the prime material and if someone takes the original equipment, then the ghost's copy disappears. So, if he fires an arrow then I can't see how it would plane shift onto the prime material. It's an interesting idea, no doubt, but I wouldn't agree that it happens that way. For one thing, it would greatly favor archer ghosts, which really doesn't make sense.

I don't have the book of bad Latin, er, I mean Libris Mortis at work, so maybe someone with it in front of them can offer better advice.

 

[kayn99]

Well, any equipment that the ghost has is duplicated in the ethereal plane. The original equipment exists on the prime material and if someone takes the original equipment, then the ghost's copy disappears. So, if he fires an arrow then I can't see how it would plane shift onto the prime material. It's an interesting idea, no doubt, but I wouldn't agree that it happens that way. For one thing, it would greatly favor archer ghosts, which really doesn't make sense.

I don't have the book of bad Latin, er, I mean Libris Mortis at work, so maybe someone with it in front of them can offer better advice.

I agree with you that it makes no sense and does favor the archer type greatly. Ghost archers would be an incredible combo with quick manifestation. I am just trying to move through all the stuff to get to the base idea of how things work. The updated incorporeal stuff is in the MMIII on page 214. It states it pretty plainly about objects and incorporealness.


Kayn

 

[kayn99]

Any other advice about this stuff?


Kayn

 

[Infiniti2000]

Okay, now that I've read it, I agree that's what it says. I don't like the idea of a ghost firing incorporeal arrows that become real. Actually, I do like it, but I think it should be some sort of special ability of the arrows, bow, or ghost itself. But, if you want to go with the Libris Mortis (or MMIII), then you have a source.