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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4413354" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>You'd be correct. The extra text is just permitting you to use Sneak Attack damage on the monster, otherwise because it takes damage as if it hit itself, you're NOT damaging it, and therefore cannot use Sneak Attack damage normally. The extra text acts as exception, however, and permits you to go ahead and do the Sneak Attack damage.</p><p></p><p>You apply all the effects of damage, including ongoing damage, conditions, etc.</p><p></p><p>Correct.</p><p></p><p>The creature is treated as tho it was hit by its own attack. The extra effects are part of that.</p><p></p><p>Then the monster is -2 to hit all enemies that are not itself until someone else marks it.</p><p></p><p>That's actually rather handy.</p><p></p><p>The -real- question is do monsters' Combat Advantage powers kick in if you have combat advantage against it? The damage is treated as if the monster hit, which means that you ask if the monster has Combat Advantage against itself?</p><p></p><p>Most times, monsters can perceive themselves, so Combat Advantage from being unaware would not apply. Combat Advantage from flanking could not apply either. Generally I'd say that if a monster does extra damage from Combat Advantage he doesn't do it to himself because even if he grants -you- combat advantage, he doesn't grant -himself- combat advantage.</p><p></p><p>That said, you're getting your Sneak Attack jollies anyways so be happy with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4413354, member: 71571"] You'd be correct. The extra text is just permitting you to use Sneak Attack damage on the monster, otherwise because it takes damage as if it hit itself, you're NOT damaging it, and therefore cannot use Sneak Attack damage normally. The extra text acts as exception, however, and permits you to go ahead and do the Sneak Attack damage. You apply all the effects of damage, including ongoing damage, conditions, etc. Correct. The creature is treated as tho it was hit by its own attack. The extra effects are part of that. Then the monster is -2 to hit all enemies that are not itself until someone else marks it. That's actually rather handy. The -real- question is do monsters' Combat Advantage powers kick in if you have combat advantage against it? The damage is treated as if the monster hit, which means that you ask if the monster has Combat Advantage against itself? Most times, monsters can perceive themselves, so Combat Advantage from being unaware would not apply. Combat Advantage from flanking could not apply either. Generally I'd say that if a monster does extra damage from Combat Advantage he doesn't do it to himself because even if he grants -you- combat advantage, he doesn't grant -himself- combat advantage. That said, you're getting your Sneak Attack jollies anyways so be happy with that. [/QUOTE]
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